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EVEHITLIST.COM

***************IMPORTANT UPDATE***************

This site has stopped accepting payments for bounties due to a mix of feedback and the inability to secure a trusted 3rd party service to handle transactions (see last update at bottom of OP). Currently I am in the middle of redesigning the website and the way payments are handled to address this issue. All transactions for bounties are refunded as of now.

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Eve Hit List has finally been launched after being discussed between the Reddit/Eve and EveFormus community as to how it will work.

Below is a little information about myself, the website, and how it works.


By placing a bounty on someone you increase the likelihood of someone close to this character turning him in for the reward.
Given the mechanics of this reward system, the bigger the ship they kill him in, the more ISK they receive from the bounty pool.


Yes. Eve Hit List may look like another static, basic webpage showing little information about the target but I assure you there Is a lot going on within EHL's inner-workings. EHL not only provides up to date bounty and payout information, It also provides daily monitoring of every wanted characters kills/losses/posts and a few other things. After the Inferno patch there will be a few more tracking features as well. Not only does this site show mercs how much a target is worth, but also gives up to date intel as to where they are or may be..


To place a bounty on a player you can transfer isk in the amount of the bounty you desire and in the reason field place the character name you want to place a bounty on. If for any reason you place a bounty on the wrong character or realize you mistyped the name and hit enter, you should email me directly in game as soon as possible with the correct name you need the bounty placed on.

All bounty placements are anonymous. We do not post or display information regarding people whom place bounties.


Up until recent I've worked on sites such as monsterjam.com, disneyonice.com and ringling.com. I am a returning Eve Online member after a 1 year absence to focus on my last year of college. Now that I have graduated and have more free time, I have been able to create this a cool solution as an alternative to the ingame bounty system for some time now. Also, while my design skills are a bit lacking, please note that I am a back end web developer and not a designer by any means, but do expect the UI of the site to look better as the month continues.



Character A places 100million isk bounty on character B
Character B jump clones into a new clone with no implants
Character B then gets his alt character (or a friend) to kill the pod of character B
Character B's killer (aka his alt or friend) receive 100Million isk as a bounty reward
Character B is now 100Million ISK richer on your behalf.

This is not how the bounty system was intended to be used. There have been many requests for CCP to revamp this including my own petition, so I decided to create this service for all players. My main goal is to show CCP how successful the Eve Hit List solution is at preventing players from exploiting the system, which would hopefully lead to CCP implementing this method directly into the game.



Pilot A has a 200m bounty (via EHL).
Pilot B blows up Pilot A's (unfit)Tier 3 battlecruiser, valued at 100m
Pilot B gets paid (65% of total ship loss, including cost of destroyed mods) 65 million from the bounty pool and 135m in bounty remains on Pilot A.

This creates a disadvantage for players to attempt to kill themselves for their own bounty, as there is a greater loss than there is reward. Additionally there is the pointless lossmail that comes with it.

How does EHL know if someone actually killed my target?

There is a special method, which the site performs every few hours to check the players losses and only imports API verified kills. Regardless if a kill is legitimate or not, it must be API verified.





I only have one other person I've contacted as a trusted third party holding service.

Unfortunately Chribba is not able to take EHL on for a third party service which is something I suspected and fully understand.

Chribba EveMail

how do you insure that the HIT isn't targeted by a friend or an alt?

Obvious question is obvious: why should we trust EHL?

Some tough bits to swallow:

Tough bit 1: "you pay first, you are served later -or don't"
Tough bit 2: "how do i know i've been served?"
Tough bit 3: "Me wants to harrass X but i am a cowardly weasel, so I anonimously put a bounty on him for tears"

Ok so to answer in order.

1: you pay first and serve later.... For incredibly obvious reasons this only makes sense. The only advise I have is to start small,
Even 1million isk enough to have a bounty posted for someone on the site. There is no minimums or premiums for posting a bounty. The only advantage is that the bounties are listed in descending order by bounty amount.

2: How do you know you've been served. Well given the recent outcry people had about certain PVP Training sites requiring email addresses to sign up, I chose not to ask. Also it is against CCP's policy to send automated evemails to users in game, although this is not impossible to do, its difficult and can generate many issues, and again its against CCP's policy.

Maybe the answer to this question is that I should implement a daily kills page, linking all characters with bounties and their respective lossmails.

OR

Allow people to register to the site and see all bounty transactions they've made, along with the option to use their email address to opt-in and be notified when a target of theirs has been killed.

Id like to hear what you think of either solutions I've just laid out, or your own solution to this.

3: So these are one of those "no win, trap" questions that have no correct answer. Firstly, there are people that pay entire alliances to harass other alliances/corporations, So regardless of what you or others may think of people who pay to have their battle fought for them, they still do it. There are many reasons for people to pay to have their fights fought for them, maybe they don't play as much and don't have the time to wait 14 hours outside a station cloaked in a panther waiting for you to undock in a tengu. Maybe there is no simple way to impose revenge on someone they dislike, but if they could place a bounty high enough, they might get someone close to that person that is willing to take them out.


I hope this answers your questions, I would also like to hear back about the solutions for question number 2.

Do you have a third party holding collateral for the amounts you are liable for?

You could research this if other people inquired about it over in market discussions. Maybe Chribba? I think you should take a cut of the bounties. enough that you don't feel used and entitled to disappear with it. Its nice you have no profit motive but this could become a lot of work so keep an open mind.

As your business goes up you will see that a percentage of the total will need to be accessible quickly. Thats called liquidity, another percentage will be stagnant. say you had 2 billion in bounties total on average any particular day of the month and your average payout per day was 500 million. To instill more trust and encourage people to trust you an item worth the other 1 and a half billion would be purchased and held. You would keep enough cash on hand to handle your daily transactions plus some extra for busy days. If you ran off, maybe an executor would sell and disburse the cash the best they could. They would need a copy of the people posting bounties to do it right I guess.

Banks do it this way, they don't keep all the money in the office, just enough to meet their needs. You may not need this if you stay small but I could see this getting huge if it works. Good luck.

I tought this must be a well made Scam..

Maybe i was right?


I added a pilot to the hitlist as a test..

after about an hour, said pilot showed up with 2 losess, and almost all bounty payed out..

Even tho the said pilot did not lose any ships, and was not logged on during the time

As I already replied to the person who placed the bounty on you (most likely was you) I promptly replied (after wrighting a rather lengthy evemail to chribba about holding the isk as a third party for this service) with the following message.




Simply put.

There was a minor issue where past kills would update as paid out. It has already been fixed. The site will search randomly and try to find new information about your target, so if it pulls up old kills, it purely for base intel to feed people who want to hunt your target. This is an intended function.

Also, freebree.... you lost your rifter 2012-05-12 17:14:00 and you lost your cane 2012-04-05 17:17:00. I would hardly call that months ago. My system doesn't pull old garbage, I have a limit as to how far back it will pull any record about you.

http://i.imgur.com/KsP7x.jpg
screenshot taken 08:31 Eve time

Of course it does, despite my replies and timestamps explaining everything, it sounds like you want it to be a scam.

No. 1, You can call it a scam all you want but I think its odd that the person posting your bounty mails me exactly 6 minutes before you (the target) posts on this thread about it. To me thats an amazing coincidence.

No. 2, I have a reddit post, this thread and crazy evemails/convos coming through plus trying to fix the issue that chadwill had pointed out in the thread at the same time.

The fact that its fixed already and was a simple small error, and that Im responding this fast should blow your wig back.

By nature, im not a rude person but i would rather tell you to just not use the service if you're going to be like this rather then get upset and insult you.