Missions & Complexes

Could you guys potentially nerf nerds being nerds on comms while incursioning? My main problem with incursions now that they've become popular is they managed to become popular to the people that ruin things that become popular.

You know the ones. They blabber on comms all day. Can CCP address this somehow? spontaneously kill people who hold down a talk button for too long? that sort of thing?

When the topics: Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, Starget SG-1, Stargate Atlantas, Battlestar Galactica, Futerama, Programing, or Computers come up...
I usually leave comms...

I do have one question though...

Why did you guys force the incursion control to 0% over downtime? Just as short-term damage control?
Not that I think its dumb or you shouldn't if the HQ community collapses before the VG community comes back or some other fix is made, Incursion might become as popular as the Nex Market >.<

You know, I really miss the old OTA's. It was fun balancing the amount of DPS being left on the field versus completing a site faster. It was great having actual choices. Now? Your fleet comp is super freaking more important than before. You really can't have people flying sub optimal ships otherwise you won't be able to break that mara's tank in a reasonable amount of time. It makes introducing people to vanguards much more difficult. There are no decisions, everything must burn... why not have some heavy dps ships be skippable just to get sites done faster. It creates risk and actually allows fleets some slack to hoist themselves upon their petard.

Regarding VG vs Assault vs HQ. Seriously, I hate Assault/HQ sites. It makes the fleeting experience so much less personal as you're now just a cog in the TVP machine. Don't get me wrong, I think the fc's are great and all, but its just so much harder to nail down multiboxers, slackers, and afkers in those larger fleets. Its definitely not as social when you've got 3-4 people hogging the comms all site long and leaving the other 30-40 people in the quiet zone.

Be social :)
People talk cause their friends, be their friends

Love it, but I have one concern: This sort of Leaves out AS/HQ sites. Theres a large difference between VGs and AS/HQs in that DPS need to broadcast for Reps, and Logi needing to watch for said broadasts as opposed to locking everyone up. I remember my first AS as a logi, after having only done VGs, and i didnt really know what to do. Thankfully we had a great Logi Commander. Also, what size fleets would these sites need? And would they be geared more towards training DPS or Logi Pilots? Or Both?




No you're awesome :D

Here's a link to to the original Incursion fixes feedback thread in GD: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61055&p=1

There was ALOT of trolling & its diicult seperate the wheat from the chaff. There were some gems in there though. I honestly feel even though it was started by CCP Greyscale it was ignored in near totally by CCP DEVs.

Affinity,
Nice to see you you watching the results of the incursions.

And a lot of good thoughts and suggestions have come up in here, and glad your talking to the major FC's.

One thing I have noticed you havent spoken to at least the Main Armor channel "The Ditanian Fleet" Cozmic Cowboy.
This channel is even listed in the "ISK" guide for entry to armor fleets.

Reason why I suggest its important you talk to both sides? Well for while now sites fell on of two positions with regard to Vanguard sites. Shield fell mostly towards OTA's Due battleship/cruiser heavy NPC and long range. And NCO's with all the frigates suited the cruisers of armor....fast lock times, and close targets/good tracking required. And NMCs were sort of in the middle. Max/min meant BS Shiny fleets would never beat a shiny legion in an nco and vice versa in OTA. Kitchen sink fleets would make for more interesting competitions in sites.....and the min/max fleets sort of knew where they stood as soon as you saw who you were competing with.

it was an interesting side effect /dynamic that grew out of the site composition. And whoever designed the original sites must have seen or forsaw this outcome.....well done.

But now you have sort of thrown cruisers into the mix heavy repping maras and frigs and fleets now have to mix it up and have a broad composition. A VERY GOOD THING.

The downside.

Armor in a flat out ship for ship with A shield ship will always suffer from the lack of ability to place a tank and dps modules....very few instances of ship types can pull off comparable dps of same shield ship. Its one reason why we see OTAS though not very well liked Shield fleets can bring a higher dps to bear on targets, and on average will down it faster than a armor fleet, I have seen both sites from being in a shield fleet and armor fleet and atm armor just dread the OTA horribly.

Change and players adopting strats has changed but slowly surely I see the future of armor fleets drying up to shield fitted BC's tier 3. Watched a shield fleet compete armor fleet with us in an assault NCN last nite....(which was lame considering these sites take 17-20 mins to complete and find you have lost is annoying, and there were 6 empty other sites up)...cruisers side we were up against shield tornadoes and Talos with just armor legions and lokis. Only tier 3 BC i Can see that can fit armor is the Oracle with any decent EHP but will only pull at best 600 dps, a shield fleet tornado will pull close to 1k dps with good skills.

You will make your adjustments, players will make their adjustments. I started in Shield fleets when i first started doing incursions, moved to armor fleet and enjoyed it a lot more in that smaller community. But I suspect Armor will slowly dry up and we will all become shield fleets.

I hope that any adjustments you make to incursions takes into account the different fleet styles so competition can be regained between the two communities.

I think some Training fleets are in Order then!

I think a lot of us would like a simple yes/no answer on the subject of NCNs....is there a plan to re-do them? As is, fleets completely avoid them when possible, and once a system is full of them, the fleet either slows down drastically or simply disbands.

I recommend, at the very least, re-configuring them to single rooms rather than parallel ones, with the whole fleet staying together. Splitting them up drastically lowers the fleet's efficiency, and creates logistics headaches. Tweaking the number of sniper targets would help as well, particularly in the last room.

I tried to resist making any comment on the above but.. I couldn't. These suggestions are totally closed minded. Buff what I do and enjoy and nerf everyone else who's making it not as good for me? Also if you 'removed concord' then what would be the difference between HS and LS incursions except the less LP and ISK HS would make in your proposal? If you hate HS incursions that much why don't you just try and push for them to remove HS incursions all together?

With regards to the OP on changes, as previous mentioned in other threads, I would love to see randomness and changes in sites but would much prefer spawns of tactical variations rather than more to just shoot. Example such as on an old OTA if the Auga's weren't all dead by the time the final Deltole spawns there is a chance of a wave of Mara's to try and save it? Killing the Auga that requested the 'back-up' would make the Mara's warp out?....*shrug* Of coarse also as mentioned the LP store to get a bit of a buff would be great. Some items that may actually be in demand.

JF

edit: To also add, I understand the difficult that is to be had that CCP is trying to balance more than just highsec/lowsec/null sec risk vers reward as well as accommodate shiny communities and public fleets. If there was a simple solution it would be obvious!