Missions & Complexes

Couldn't agree more on the need to flesh out the LP store - but this is not a short term, fix it by June project :)

I will definitely do that, thanks!

Will be good even though I doubt I'll ever run them once they get fixed, lol. Giving 1-2 month old players a great experience in combat and teamwork will get them hooked on Eve, much better than solo mission work I'd imagine. My best memory so far in Eve was joining a fleet for the first time and watching everyone work together to get the job done

Exactly, Incursions are all about community's, Yes there is Nazi community's like ISN who people hate or BTL, SSN, sUmmer and tons more that people love, But we are all doing the same thing, Having a great time, Incursions stopped me from quitting EVE Online, The reason why i like to Log into EVE Online is being part of a community, Having great guys to fly with, Not only that a lot of people have been given more opertunitys doing Incursions, Proving that they are not good a pvp but a AWESOME HQ Logistic or a Epic Drone bunny.

Yes Incursions have been Nerfed but i feel that they needed too, Not this much of course, This makes us aware of how good we had it, This is our wake up call, Of course CCP is going to make it harder to earn Isk in Incursions, This is why we are in these community's to adapt and overcome the challenge as a group.

Regardless of the Trolls or Off Topic post's, In-between them are Fantastic idea's and opinions, What makes this even better is that CCP is really looking into what you said, This isn't like WOW, Where they just fling it to the back of their mailbox, My view of CCP has changed completely due to these Incursion threads, It shows they care about there playerbase.

Yes they have not been 100% on the Dev Blogs stating all the Information and missing key points, At least they admit it, I feel that Inferno is starting to improve.


Note: To all who have not tried Incursions, Get into a Maelstrom and Join BTL Pub and then you will see how awesome they are :P

CCP Affinity, I have one more quick question for you, isn't CCP afraid that because hi sec incursion runners protected by Concorde, they can basically run sites 23/7, with virtually no operating costs, and basically no risk of un-consensual PVP however the low sec/null-sec do have the risk of un-consensual pvp and operating costs( safe towers, jump fuel, etc.), and there is only a 42% payout increase ( I believe I could be wrong) will unbalance the risk versus reward between the security levels (hi vs low vs null vs Sov) ?

for example one character can make the same amount or more in hi-sec incursions, as that same character would make you doing Sov anomalies(from bounties) however the risk of Sov anomalies is higher because of the risk of un-consensual PVP.

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First offf to CCP affinity Thanks for the quick responses and the clarifacation on what you intend incursions to be> This topic has been debated and beat in the ground worse then the dead horse. Anywho Copying my opinions on The incursion changes from ccp soundwaves post.

Heres my 2 cents on it.

I have ran incursions since December , Both Pug groups ,elitist groups. and i have ran my own high end incursion channel. Through out all this ill admit the amount of is i was getting Was Insane. In which i was able to turn around and spend that isk to pay for my accounts and buy some damn nice pvp ships. Now ill be the first to admit that the amount of isk The High end groups would make in Vg;s was a bit un balanced, But I also believe that you took the Nerf way too far CCP.

As has been stated many times before currently its just not worth it to do it. and honestly it could have been a really easy fix but was beaten till as stated its not worth it with exploration wh's and lvl 4's being a more viable option for people. Some claim they ran incursions for the social aspect of it and that's great. Some was only in it for the money. Which ever case it may be It made it possible, at least for me to plex my accounts and pay for my pvp.


TLDR;
What i believe would be a decent fix for incursions is the following

Scout sites: Make them worth it to do them Ie lvl 4 payouts for all fleet members

VG:'s Make sites take around 5-8 Minutes 5 Being Shiny fleets 8 being pug fleets. and remove the payment reduction

Nco: Pretty decent as they are may remove some augas

NMC : Bring the mara in closer

Ota's: Take the mara and the hacking unit out

Assaults: These need to drastically increase in payouts. IMO around 25 mil per site And take around 10-16 minutes to complete

NCN's : Completely overhaul the site remove cruiser side make it multiple gate room. ( lighten up a bit on the neuts)

OCF's : Remove the ninja nerf where you put more spawns in there.( Fyi you didn't make them faster)

NCS's : Same as above.**

HQ's : Make them pay around 35-40 mil And take 23-30 minutes to complete: Now i dont know much about the sites but i do know one was ninja nerfed like the ocf's and ncs's Come on ccp Really we do see when this happens.

Anyhow there's my 2 cents


Edit : One of the biggest gripes pre escalation was how crowded the vg systems was I believe that Focusing on Buffing the Scout assualt, and Hq sites will do alot more for the game And incursion runners as a whole Then just slamming a nerf bat down

Edit 2: After reading your statement on what you intend incursions to be i still stand by most of the completion times i stated But can also agree with making the risk worth the reward. Also still stand by the fact the Vg's just need minor tweaking at this point. Real focuses should be on Scouts and assaults primarily along with the Hq's but others are more knowledgeable then me on those

Total hypothetical talk here.. but how would you feel about, long-term, Scouts being proper training grounds - mirroring vanguard type risk with more hints/tutorials and less reward? Geared towards settling new members into the community.

Also a huge thank you to everyone who has posted so far - this is exactly the kind of thread I wanted! Useful feedback and carefully thought out posts. You guys are awesome :)

Should have talked to Noble Ranger instead, hes the one actually running and keeping ISN alive :/

I agree with this completely, baby steps should be taken to avoid rubber-banding back between OP and UP incursions.
Right now the best ideas are pretty obvious:
-Move hacking site closer in OTAs (Also decrease the difficult because Most pilots will have a T1 code-breaker with Level 3 skills and I've sat around for more then 5 minutes due to the randomization, perhaps instead of random chance with the OTA, have a set amount of times based on skills.)
-Revert the payout Nerf
-Reduce site time somehow (Either by slightly less ships, moving the mara's orbit closer, or even something as simple as not having to kill renyns)

A not so much talked about idea but one I think is equally important is to prevent the ability to or reduce the difficulty of Pre-loaded OTAs.

I can't wait to see what you guys do with scout sites, I would greatly enjoy something similar to C2 wormhole level combat (heavy tank, low dps or small RR BCs gangs). Get players used to broadcasting and have them learn the importance of Applied DPS


Keith Planck
Poni will always Poni Poni~~~~~~

P.S. would it kill you guys to add more MLP references in eve :(