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CCP employees must be removed from the game.

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#461 - 2012-05-10 17:20:00 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.


Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#462 - 2012-05-10 17:23:32 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.


Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.


SOMEONE CHANGED MY PASSIVE INCOME I WANT THE COMPANY IN ASHES. VENGEANCE MUST BE MINE.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#463 - 2012-05-10 17:24:13 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Are you all literally this insane that you would ruin people based on a hunch with no evidence?


Well.. I hate to play devils advocate here, but obviously he is that insane.
Qui Wye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#464 - 2012-05-10 17:24:21 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Qui Wye wrote:
I knowz, but who checks them?
So we need a team that supervises them.
and one that supervises the supervisors.
and ...


Presumably they check each other.


Presumably is the problem ;)

But you will never stop people from cheating no matter what, so it's a bit useless to discuss...
If you feel that badly about it, just quit playing the game and if enough people feel the same, then CCP will be proven wrong.
Otherwise; let's make this a nice *trolololol* post xD
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#465 - 2012-05-10 17:27:43 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.


Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.


To the insane their own actions seem reasonable and appropriate while everyone else appears to be insane and unreasonable.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#466 - 2012-05-10 17:30:52 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.


Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.



Still think that unless we see massive unsubs nothing will change.
See what they do not what they say seems in full effect unless you can point to where we've only said something and theyve scrapped it, unlike ppl leaving and we get a apology from Hilmar and a radical change in direction and refocusing on FiS instead of WiS?

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#467 - 2012-05-10 17:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:


Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.



What RISK?
Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?


Its hard to know the reasoning without actually working at CCP or knowing their contracts or employee's code of conduct agreement. However there's a good chance that their wasn't any written rules or punishments for the actions that took place at the time. Since depending on Icelandic law/unions you can't actually terminate someones employment contract without them actually violating a part of the contract. After T20 I'm sure they added that in and hold higher restrictions and penalties for CCP employees having direct unauthorized intervention into the game.

Granted this is all spectulation, but even still your missing the point. Obviously since it is a job to them and how they support themselves and/or their families its not worth the potential risk.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#468 - 2012-05-10 17:34:32 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.


Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.



Still think that unless we see massive unsubs nothing will change.
See what they do not what they say seems in full effect unless you can point to where we've only said something and theyve scrapped it, unlike ppl leaving and we get a apology from Hilmar and a radical change in direction and refocusing on FiS instead of WiS?


What exactly do you want to change though?

"No more changes to anything that I personally don't like - the political platform for Sigurd Sig Hansen, by Sigurd Sig Hansen."
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#469 - 2012-05-10 17:35:13 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.


Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.



Still think that unless we see massive unsubs nothing will change.
See what they do not what they say seems in full effect unless you can point to where we've only said something and theyve scrapped it, unlike ppl leaving and we get a apology from Hilmar and a radical change in direction and refocusing on FiS instead of WiS?


Get all 100 people who really care about passive data core income to quit. Then we will see some real change.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#470 - 2012-05-10 17:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:


Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.



What RISK?
Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?


Its hard to know the reasoning without actually working at CCP or knowing their contracts or employee's code of conduct agreement. .


Im using the excuse CCP GAVE US

That "icelandic law" thing? Yeah I didnt pull that from my ass.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:
but even still your missing the point. Obviously since it is a job to them and how they support themselves and/or their families its not worth the potential risk.


Youre missing the point... what risk?
And it WAS worth the risk before lol

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#471 - 2012-05-10 17:39:28 UTC
So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?

You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#472 - 2012-05-10 17:39:31 UTC
Zmaster BloodLust wrote:
WoW!! (no i dont mean World of Warcraft!)... I dont know if i should laugh or cry with this whole topic...

On one hand.. we got Scrubs crying about the CFC... on the other hand we got CCP DEV's defending CCP "Honor" and even using their alts to do so (Yes i spoted ya...)

This is realy funny... to say the least!

*Sits back, grabs a bag of popcorns and watches the show!*


Regards, Z



Yes, that CCP Arkanon character is pretty hard to spot. I would never have suspected he worked at CCP. Smile

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Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#473 - 2012-05-10 17:39:37 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:


Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.



What RISK?
Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?


Its hard to know the reasoning without actually working at CCP or knowing their contracts or employee's code of conduct agreement. .


Im using the excuse CCP GAVE US

That "icelandic law" thing? Yeah I didnt pull that from my ass.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:
but even still your missing the point. Obviously since it is a job to them and how they support themselves and/or their families its not worth the potential risk.


Youre missing the point... what risk?
And it WAS worth the risk before lol


Could you link us to this icelandic law?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#474 - 2012-05-10 17:39:50 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.


Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.


To the insane their own actions seem reasonable and appropriate while everyone else appears to be insane and unreasonable.


Im not insane, everyone else is!

Which is funny when my grandmother states she's the only sane one in her house

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#475 - 2012-05-10 17:41:10 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:

Youre missing the point... what risk?
And it WAS worth the risk before lol


The risk that they'd be dismissed for cause, not be able to get another job and be stuck in Iceland polishing walrus tusks until they die alone and forgotten.

And sure, it was worth the risk before when there was no actual chance of getting caught and no mechanism in place for being fired if you were caught. But now there are both.

Feels good man.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#476 - 2012-05-10 17:42:38 UTC
I don't think you understood my post. The excuse of Icelandic law COULD very well be valid. Since it seems it falls heavily on contracts and unions. That doesn't mean that the agreements and contracts they have NOW is the same as they where when T20 happened. So while HE might have gotten away with it THEN, they probably can't get away with it NOW due to contract/agreement changes because of what happened..

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#477 - 2012-05-10 17:43:04 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:

Youre missing the point... what risk?
And it WAS worth the risk before lol


The risk that they'd be dismissed for cause, not be able to get another job and be stuck in Iceland polishing walrus tusks until they die alone and forgotten.

And sure, it was worth the risk before when there was no actual chance of getting caught and no mechanism in place for being fired if you were caught. But now there are both.

Feels good man.


But the mechanism is run by teh goonies!!!1!!!1
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#478 - 2012-05-10 17:43:46 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I don't think you understood my post. The excuse of Icelandic law COULD very well be valid. Since it seems it falls heavily on contracts and unions. That doesn't mean that the agreements and contracts they have NOW is the same as they where when T20 happened. So while HE might have gotten away with it THEN, they probably can't get away with it NOW due to contract/agreement changes because of what happened..


How long ago was T20? Almost 5 years? That's a long time in law.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#479 - 2012-05-10 17:45:08 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:


Could you link us to this icelandic law?


Youre talking to a guy whose told you he has Goons blocked

Edit: which he can see now since I quoted it lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Cutout Man
Doomheim
#480 - 2012-05-10 17:45:14 UTC
CCP Arkanon wrote:
You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.

And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found.

You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence. Many people would have no issue with not mentioning one of their characters if they thought for a minute they could get away with it. There needn't be any desire to "hurt" CCP at the root of their motivations. They aren't likely to see themselves as hurting CCP, only helping their friends with "harmless" information. Since we know for a fact something like this has happened before, it isn't unreasonable to posit that it will happen again.

The laws in the U.S. are such that employers who don't want to get sued into oblivion will make no comment to other employers that call for references other than to say whether or not they would rehire the person. I would guess that CCP, which has a U.S. subsidiary and can be sued in the U.S., takes a similar path. It is unlikely that anything other than firing would occur. I don't know who the people were in the T20 scandal, but I'm willing to bet they aren't living on the street. I'm not familiar with Icelandic laws, perhaps they differ. Perhaps that's as good a reason as any to consolidate the development team in Iceland.

None of this is to say that something untoward is definitely occuring, but it is clearly a concern or there wouldn't be an Internal Affairs group. The effect such a person has on the game is powerful. In most games, their damage would be limited to giving out goodies or money or maybe play time. EVE is built on player interaction in a player built world. The damage they do effects everyone who plays, either directly or indirectly. It is entirely appropriate that the player base question the system. The OP was short on anything substantive and I don't put much faith in it, but the responses from teh CCP side are a bit snarky and dismissive. You might consider muzzling staff responses on such delicate issues and issuing bland, stock statements.