EVE General Discussion

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Soundwave was a Goon before being hired.

I finished my homework early. Can I have a cookie ?

That's right, the crazy tinfoil hat-ism before T20 sure stayed that way huh ?

How quickly we forget.

+1 for the mention of Oscar Wilde.

It would be great to actually know what the pattern was.

Where did I imply current, as opposed to the irrefutable past, corruption?

I've pointed out that there have always been "baseless" whines, that sometimes they turn out to be true, that anyone who expects differently is setting themselves up for disappointment, and that some people seem (somewhat ironically) uncomfortable with the mention of any of that.

Oh, and that evidence is all that counts.

CCP hasn't refuted anything I've said. And your raging attempts to spin that while quoting my praise for their official response is hilarious.

But, Proverbs 28:1 and all that, eh?

yes, he was

by the way, I found video proof, soundwave is that you at 2:05?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYAXKjz0Llo


edit: and then we have the obvious...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac&feature=related

CCP Screegs and CCP Soundwave were goons, so bloody what? There's no massive conspiracy here, GSF are not Band of Devs, they aren't receiving Dev help with their campaign to terrorise pretty much everybody but especially those they see as shiptoasters.

They are able to do all this because they're organised, they have a planning & logistics chain that could put small governments to shame, they have the industrial backbone and control of natural resources to effectively have a bottomless wallet. The null sec alliances and their constant struggles for galactic domination are what makes Eve completely different from any other MMO out there.

No other MMO allows this sort of thing, in that CCP, Eve and especially us the players set the gold standard for sandbox games. I'm proud to be part of a small gaming community that creates mainstream media coverage rivaling real-world events and makes other MMO's look like padded rooms.

TL;DR Goons don't need Dev help to achieve what they want to, personally I think, and hope, that they're looking to shake up the game on a massive scale and possibly start the biggest war an MMO has ever seen.

TOPIC : I'd rather have Devs that play the game, because they love the game and/or were playing the game before it became their job, than Devs who play the game 2 hours a week because CCP says they must.

True enough, to conquer does generally involve some warfare though, even if it was poorly executed by the conquered.

Could be worse, could be Dropbears, a rabbit is one of the very few animals in Australia with more than 2 legs that isn't trying to kill you.

I don't know about CCP being in bed with goons, but it should concern people that ccp employees are part of ingame alliances. The issue is presented by CCP as simple: Internal Affairs somehow solves all problems. It should be obvious that Internal Affairs is powerless to stop anyone who is using even the slightest modicum of caution. It is impossible for IA to say with any certainty that devs, GMs, ISD, or other staff aren't creating accounts and paying with paypal or plex or some other anonymous method (for the same reason that alliance counterintelligence can't).

It isn't bad that devs play, after all they need to experience the game from the player perspective. What's bad is that even the tiniest bits of knowledge about the game mechanics, reward schedules, exact math, upcoming changes, etc. can convey a huge advantage to an alliance. It also has a more insidious effect. They have a stake in certain outcomes. Not an ingame financial stake, but a mental stake. It is a natural inclination to want to protect the playstyle that affects you and your friends. That mentality warps their view of game design and administration when they get to the office. It is easy to fall into the trap of seeing the game from one perspective and, because you have a stake in it, resisting change, innovation, and improvement. That's true for all of us, but we're the ones who are paying to play.

Unfortunately, its a problem that can't really be solved. Even if the employees didn't play, its easy enough to send someone an email, tell a friend some secrets, etc. Before some CCP employee makes a snarky reply (and there were some good ones in this thread lol), over the years I've been on comms with two different players who were developers. They were old friends/acquaintances of older members of the alliances I was in. They weren't currently working at CCP at the time they were on comms, so technically no harm, no foul. But the idea that they're completely hidden and anonymous is laughable.

Maybe its just a matter of focusing that mental energy and time into something else. I would love to see the CCP alliance ingame setup shop in a new NPC null sec system and battle royale forever.