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CCP employees must be removed from the game.

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Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
#281 - 2012-05-08 17:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevigrofnu Mrots
Atomic Virulent wrote:
In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons.

For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED.

The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE.

Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.

This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth.

I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart?


All lies, disinformation and propaganda againts us. We represent the light side of new Eden.

We represent a Eve movement that offers neutral humanitarian care to the victims of Eve wars, the GSF distinguishes itself by also aiding victims of devastating ganking attacks. Over the years, this alliance has expanded its services, always with the aim of preventing and relieving suffering of players. We offer a santuary in 0.0 for players to rest and recover their traumas in peace, away from the other eve players that only sole purpose is to have fun by ruining your game.

Why don't you join us and see for yourself that we are good citizens of new Eden, all this stuff you hear about us are lies spread by the real bad people, don't belive them.

Contact any GSF member in game and ask him to help you apply and join GSF using the refugee status.
Geddon4Life
Doomheim
#282 - 2012-05-08 17:53:36 UTC
I would not play a game the DEV's and GM's do not play themselves.

Killing people is legal

Scamming from recruitment channel did get goons banned for 14 days.
Scamming is however legal in almost every way / shape / form.

Shooting any ship is legal, even if your wife have cancer and is about to die and the ship you fly is an Imperial Navy Apoc that cost you all your isk and you have your cargo hold full of valuables (BPO/PBC) and is moving inside a 1.0 sec system.

taking any moon you can hold is legal.


And once it is allowed to self destruct a station, with ALL equipment/ships/blueprints/clones inside, expect GOONs / PL and other marauding alliances taking over, and destroying HUGE amount of 'stuff'. (That will help with inflation)


If you see any goons exploiting, please report it via forums. If you just petition it, it is less fun for me.
Josef Djugashvilis
#283 - 2012-05-08 18:49:55 UTC
Dapud wrote:
What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1, or strive to be a power hungry ISD volunteer hall monitor? They don't care about you, you know CCP doesn't care that you have no dignity or self respect and suck up to every authority figure you can find. Why choose to live your life like that?


Talking sense is not always the same thing as 'sucking up to authority'

Folk should either provide evidence of wrong doing to the appropriate department, or stop posting utter tripe.

This is not a signature.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#284 - 2012-05-08 18:59:08 UTC
Dapud wrote:
What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1


Ranger 1 used to be pretty cool, and bring a lot to discussions. Now he's just another rigid thinker.

I don't know what happened.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Wollari
Dirt Nap Squad
#285 - 2012-05-08 19:07:58 UTC
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:
Or do Goons somehow control Dotlan now too? My God, it's a conspiracy at the highest levels - Goons now control public websites as well as CCP! Is there no end to their power????


LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-)

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#286 - 2012-05-08 19:10:02 UTC
Wollari wrote:
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:
Or do Goons somehow control Dotlan now too? My God, it's a conspiracy at the highest levels - Goons now control public websites as well as CCP! Is there no end to their power????


LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-)

You'll be brainwashed.


One day you'll be staring as 200 ships shoot some random structure somewhere and hear Boat ranting about some bullshit and you'll be nodding your head and thinking "he's actually not that bad."

And then you'll realize the depths to which you've fallen.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#287 - 2012-05-08 19:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Atomic Virulent
4,000 views in 1 day. I'm awesome.

Just want to say thanks to all the participants in the discussion. You will notice that I left the discussion to all of you and left it alone until now, but for many It was a topic that had to be addressed. My own opinions on the matter have been persuaded both ways somewhat by your thoughts and I hope that most have seen another point-of-view that may have done the same for you.

That'll do pig... that'll do.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#288 - 2012-05-08 19:12:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Wollari wrote:
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:
Or do Goons somehow control Dotlan now too? My God, it's a conspiracy at the highest levels - Goons now control public websites as well as CCP! Is there no end to their power????


LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-)

You'll be brainwashed.


One day you'll be staring as 200 ships shoot some random structure somewhere and hear Boat ranting about some bullshit and you'll be nodding your head and thinking "he's actually not that bad."

And then you'll realize the depths to which you've fallen.

^---True story. I'm an eyewitness.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#289 - 2012-05-08 19:16:55 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Wollari wrote:
LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-)

You'll be brainwashed.


One day you'll be staring as 200 ships shoot some random structure somewhere and hear Boat ranting about some bullshit and you'll be nodding your head and thinking "he's actually not that bad."

And then you'll realize the depths to which you've fallen.

^---True story. I'm an eyewitness.

I.. I don't know what to say. I am sorry for your loss.


I've actually somehow avoided boat rants despite being on a bunch of his fleets. Very odd. Though in Burn Jita we did get to hear him almost jerking off after killing those Abaddons and camping Moar tears/whoever into stations and reminding everyone how Boat, the great nullsec FC was kicking those highsec pvpers with his big fleet of drakes and tornado support.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2012-05-08 19:31:07 UTC
Hate Goons Everyday

Kill it with Fire!

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#291 - 2012-05-08 19:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Goons, a polarising force within Eve, you can love them for what they do or hate them for what they do, but they are here to stay and they do create a metric shitload of content and headlines for CCP.


They have a rightly deserved reputation for being asshats, but they're our asshats.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#292 - 2012-05-08 19:38:43 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Goons, a polarising force within Eve, you can love them from what they do or hate them for what they do, but they are here to stay and they do create a metric shitload of content and headlines for CCP.


They have a rightly deserved reputation for being asshats, but they're our asshats.


EVE Marmite

Kill it with Fire!

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#293 - 2012-05-08 20:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Bane Necran wrote:
Dapud wrote:
What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1


Ranger 1 used to be pretty cool, and bring a lot to discussions. Now he's just another rigid thinker.

I don't know what happened.


We just ended up on different sides of the fence on this one.

It happens, no hard feelings.

if someone had any actual evidence of favoritism I'd absolutely look it over.

Game mechanic changes have and will happen frequently. Some have favored the Goons (and other Null Alliances), while others have decidedly not.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Potatoeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#294 - 2012-05-08 20:57:20 UTC
Atomic Virulent wrote:
:words:


Lizard people you say?
Contagion
Infestation Inc
#295 - 2012-05-08 21:04:38 UTC
I disagree with the OP. A game that the devs don't play would be an awful game. The fact that they do play is great because it means they see some of the same annoyances as we do and that gives them a chance to fix them.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#296 - 2012-05-08 21:19:53 UTC
The thing about the Goons is that they represent everything that you should expect from every player in EVE. They scam, they lie, they gank and they are jerks on local.

And that is perfectly fine, like i said. The players and what they are allowed to do are what makes EVE different from every other MMO (ok, other than UO). Goons only display where that limit lies all in one package.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Enuen Ravenseye
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#297 - 2012-05-08 21:45:27 UTC
Potatoeman wrote:
Atomic Virulent wrote:
:words:


Lizard people you say?


Lumie, is that you?!?! (FoH reference)
Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#298 - 2012-05-08 21:48:00 UTC
Posting in a haet thread.
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2012-05-08 21:50:58 UTC
Oh, one of these threads again.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#300 - 2012-05-08 21:53:54 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Goons, a polarising force within Eve, you can love them from what they do or hate them for what they do, but they are here to stay and they do create a metric shitload of content and headlines for CCP.


They have a rightly deserved reputation for being asshats, but they're our asshats.

You might also be them, very important to know as you might love or hate them while being one. Even as you reset them..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?