Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When people get to EVE Online, they see a scary reality. A world where you can increase efficiency in "skills" through neural uplinks but heaven forbid having your character learn the good ol' fashioned way is taboo and complete falseness.

So, I propose an action-enhanced training method where doing things temporarily increases skill training.

Doing certain actions will slightly increase a factor, which in this article I will call "Active Modifier". The name is not important, the idea I hope is. This factor adds up to a certain limit (debatable, perhaps 10 to 20%). That percentage would be added to your current skill training. Over time, this factor goes down.

Examples:

• Shooting your guns at a target will increase most the active modifier of Gunnery skills
• Shooting with specific guns increase specific skill active modifiers (i.e, Blaster Specialization, Small Hybrid Turret)
• Shooting at longer ranges increases the active modifier of Trajectory Analysis and Sharpshooter
• Shooting at moving targets increases Motion Prediction active modifier
• Mining asteroids increases the active modifier of Mining (and Mining Barges or Exhumers, if your using them)
• Increases the effectiveness of your fleet with your leadership skills increases the active modifier of the active skills
• Using a ship (either for it's designated purpose or improvised purpose) would probably do the same thing
• Having to armor tank will... well, I think you get the point now.

Of course, using them in different situations will increase active modifier faster, such as PVP, which will increase active modifier very fast.

Why? There are a few reasons

1. To prevent the atrocity that is apathetic training of skills.
2. It makes sense. Sure, neural uplinks do most of the work, but actively engaging in said activity should be beneficial.
3. It would help noob players make sense of the world and actively engage in it, because an apathetic noob is the worst.

Please give open and honest, but only if constructive, feedback and criticism.

Been suggested MANY times, it's still a horrible idea because it turns Eve into the grind many of us came to Eve to get away from, not to mention that it's extremely exploitable.

Scumbags all over the EVE universe dislike an active way to gain SP, cause they would lose the benefit of their SP - pumped clones they are having at the moment if they decide to not grind at all.

Since EvE is made for scumbags, and scumbags are the only ones getting heard..

I bet you get the point ;)

I would love to see active training, but CCP just sucks at designing games for a larger scale of ppl.

Dust has active skilling noob

No. That idea is not the same. Has your mother ever slapped you for misreading something horribly? I wish she had.

If the maximum % boost stayed under 2%, and there were plenty of sanity checks to prevent farming velators, I couldn't object too loudly. 10%, however, is absofreakinglutely absurd. Thing is, I don't see this actually adding anything. It doesn't grow eve or fix one of it's longstanding issues. It does sound like yet another bid for more SP. I wouldn't want devs wasting their time on it.

Use it for each ship you fly, the more it survives the more advantages the ship (and crew) gets, when its destroyed you loose it.

For example and maxed out "leveled" ship is has 25% bonus of everything. (Just a random something.) (Excluding supercaps ;))

It also makes the it easier to fit in the crew and crew numbers.

You must be more of an idiot than I originally thought.
My idea doesn't increase skillpoint gain WHILE doing something, it increases skillpoint gain FOR doing something, even after you stop.

I disagree with EVERYONE saying this would turn eve into a grind fest. Only at the highest levels of play would this even have a chance of doing so (cap ship training and such). The skills simply don't take enough time for active training to be a problem, especially since this is just a boost to current skill training and not anything else.

The biggest obstacle at this point would be implementing it in a way that makes sense for every skill. It's relatively easy with gunnery or ship control but gets more difficult with refining or modules, science and other things. They would all need different things to help you level them up. Plus you would have to find a way that would help these skills without reducing their training time too much but still enough that it appears to help and probably would have to base it off the training multiplier as well.

For instance lets look at gunnery, which is actually still pretty complicated. If you wanted to make that an active skill that you can learn by firing. Okay, so if you're flying a cruiser and learning medium turrets which have a multiplier of 3x. So if you fire 1 medium turret at an enemy how many skill points do you get? What about if your shooting 8 medium turrets? Does it only count if you kill something? or does it count it based on damage done? What about shooting in vollies, does it count each volley?

What about skills that increase range or falloff? How would we work those?

Don't get me wrong I like the idea of something that you can actively do to make your character learn, but at this point it is just too difficult to implement on all skills.

What about a skill "booster" effect? that way people could translate money into a slight temperary improvement in skill gain, say a +1 willpower or whatever skill booster? That would let people who want to invest extra money in skilling be able to do it beyond just the +5 implants.