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New dev blog: Unified inventory

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Salvia Olima
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#881 - 2012-05-24 02:54:27 UTC
Dear CCP Arrow,


the Unified Inventory is the Most Convincing Argument to play LoL or WoT over EvE until fixed it or made optional.

If the inventory caches up all and every kind of items when one wish to see 5-10% comparable it means extreme waste of bandwidth - it is only good if the IT guy goes to boss for a show: "look ma', statistics, we are awesome, check teh traffic, we need to buy that new shiny mmkay?". Nice try.

Also, fix local FFS - I login at 4:20AM CET and I see 32+ pilots when 3 of us here, one who accidentally left the client on and me with my two accounts who had too much coke and can't sleep. I mean WTF C'mon - or is another Jitaburning the master plan of the marketing department? To be on the news with bad design again?

I know life is hard and people in the devteams NEED to show of something now and then in hope that will prevent to look employment elsewhere anytime soon, but please, don't ruin the game of 40k+ just because some designers have no common sense and try to implement every fail idea motivated by the management's stomping.

New Hound and Manticore are cool (high five!), Purifier looks like an isopod, Nemesis is taken from Independence Day (1996!!!), and New Eden became much more duller and darker by taking away the IMPERIAL RED hues from Carthum Conglomerate ships. Sum: this patch is an epic fail IMHO. Nice to have some long skills awaiting until I look back to this pile'o'mess that was a great game once.
General Freight
GIRLFRIEND SURF TEAM
#882 - 2012-05-24 03:21:01 UTC
Why didn't you make this cool new thing an *additional* ASSET MANAGER instead of radically changing "one of the most-used systems in the game", as you put it?


"In theory, there is no difference between Theory and Practice. In Practice it's different."
Dirch Passer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#883 - 2012-05-24 03:23:21 UTC
There's nothing that says 'unified' like a Swiss Army knife! You want to cut down that tree? You want to shape that tree into a rocking chair?

No problem! It will take some time, though :-)
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#884 - 2012-05-24 03:52:08 UTC
Salvia Olima wrote:
Dear CCP Arrow,


the Unified Inventory is the Most Convincing Argument to play LoL or WoT over EvE until fixed it or made optional.

If the inventory caches up all and every kind of items when one wish to see 5-10% comparable it means extreme waste of bandwidth - it is only good if the IT guy goes to boss for a show: "look ma', statistics, we are awesome, check teh traffic, we need to buy that new shiny mmkay?". Nice try.

Also, fix local FFS - I login at 4:20AM CET and I see 32+ pilots when 3 of us here, one who accidentally left the client on and me with my two accounts who had too much coke and can't sleep. I mean WTF C'mon - or is another Jitaburning the master plan of the marketing department? To be on the news with bad design again?

I know life is hard and people in the devteams NEED to show of something now and then in hope that will prevent to look employment elsewhere anytime soon, but please, don't ruin the game of 40k+ just because some designers have no common sense and try to implement every fail idea motivated by the management's stomping.

New Hound and Manticore are cool (high five!), Purifier looks like an isopod, Nemesis is taken from Independence Day (1996!!!), and New Eden became much more duller and darker by taking away the IMPERIAL RED hues from Carthum Conglomerate ships. Sum: this patch is an epic fail IMHO. Nice to have some long skills awaiting until I look back to this pile'o'mess that was a great game once.

+1 :: Gratz on excellent communication. I apologize if this sound insulting, but it seems like English is not your primary language.

You are, however, an excellent communicator. You show insights into the thinking of the CCP employees, and the current situation, and both seem quite correct. Also, you have accurately stated the feelings of almost all of us who play this game.
spacehusky
Limiko Corp
#885 - 2012-05-24 04:17:47 UTC
This inventory window/issue makes me so sick, I could hardly log in. I only logged so I could see if there had been any comments by CCP. When you undock and the damn window opens, if you are in nullsec, well it is just an accident waiting to happen. Transferring cargo from one location to another just isn't that much more appealling this way to be worth the "progress" you believe it is; I was perfectly fine with opening multiple windows. I don't really need to be able to see the cargo of every ship in station just because I docked. I can do that anyway with a right click. I really don't care about the value of my items, if I did, then I could offer them for sale and then cancel. In 6 years in Eve, this is the most frustrated I've been by an "enhancement". This is one I could do without and hopefully you'll listen to the players and make the changes, until then, I'll find other things to do with my free evenings.
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#886 - 2012-05-24 05:17:16 UTC
ATTENTION a new dev blog with the ability to bring your comments to CCP is started HERE

Write in this new one and bring CCP to change the UI.
It would be nice if someone will bring this new link into every new page of this thread.
Thank you guys. Bring proposals to CCP. Lets work together. Smile
tasman devil
Puritans
#887 - 2012-05-24 08:45:48 UTC
Salvia Olima wrote:
Dear CCP Arrow,


the Unified Inventory is the Most Convincing Argument to play LoL or WoT over EvE until fixed it or made optional.

If the inventory caches up all and every kind of items when one wish to see 5-10% comparable it means extreme waste of bandwidth - it is only good if the IT guy goes to boss for a show: "look ma', statistics, we are awesome, check teh traffic, we need to buy that new shiny mmkay?". Nice try.

Also, fix local FFS - I login at 4:20AM CET and I see 32+ pilots when 3 of us here, one who accidentally left the client on and me with my two accounts who had too much coke and can't sleep. I mean WTF C'mon - or is another Jitaburning the master plan of the marketing department? To be on the news with bad design again?

I know life is hard and people in the devteams NEED to show of something now and then in hope that will prevent to look employment elsewhere anytime soon, but please, don't ruin the game of 40k+ just because some designers have no common sense and try to implement every fail idea motivated by the management's stomping.

New Hound and Manticore are cool (high five!), Purifier looks like an isopod, Nemesis is taken from Independence Day (1996!!!), and New Eden became much more duller and darker by taking away the IMPERIAL RED hues from Carthum Conglomerate ships. Sum: this patch is an epic fail IMHO. Nice to have some long skills awaiting until I look back to this pile'o'mess that was a great game once.

+1

Also, Amarr hulls SUCK now!! No golden hulls for us. I whined a lot...

I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either...
Endeavour Starfleet
#888 - 2012-05-24 08:49:01 UTC
spacehusky wrote:
This inventory window/issue makes me so sick, I could hardly log in. I only logged so I could see if there had been any comments by CCP. When you undock and the damn window opens, if you are in nullsec, well it is just an accident waiting to happen. Transferring cargo from one location to another just isn't that much more appealling this way to be worth the "progress" you believe it is; I was perfectly fine with opening multiple windows. I don't really need to be able to see the cargo of every ship in station just because I docked. I can do that anyway with a right click. I really don't care about the value of my items, if I did, then I could offer them for sale and then cancel. In 6 years in Eve, this is the most frustrated I've been by an "enhancement". This is one I could do without and hopefully you'll listen to the players and make the changes, until then, I'll find other things to do with my free evenings.


Ya this is not a helpful post at all. Just whining.

Offer ideas that they can implement and give them time to do it. Is that so hard?
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#889 - 2012-05-24 08:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
spacehusky wrote:
This inventory window/issue makes me so sick, I could hardly log in. I only logged so I could see if there had been any comments by CCP. When you undock and the damn window opens, if you are in nullsec, well it is just an accident waiting to happen. Transferring cargo from one location to another just isn't that much more appealling this way to be worth the "progress" you believe it is; I was perfectly fine with opening multiple windows. I don't really need to be able to see the cargo of every ship in station just because I docked. I can do that anyway with a right click. I really don't care about the value of my items, if I did, then I could offer them for sale and then cancel. In 6 years in Eve, this is the most frustrated I've been by an "enhancement". This is one I could do without and hopefully you'll listen to the players and make the changes, until then, I'll find other things to do with my free evenings.


Ya this is not a helpful post at all. Just whining.

Offer ideas that they can implement and give them time to do it. Is that so hard?


Please CCP alt go away, back to your troll cave.
Endeavour Starfleet
#890 - 2012-05-24 08:55:50 UTC
Funny how anyone calling out the BS whine and fake leave posts is now a "CCP Alt"

You see if I was a CCP employee I would actually be asking those in charge of the forum to merge or remove these redundant whine topics in general and getting this topic cleaned up.
Super Fugger
Gubbl Gubbl
#891 - 2012-05-24 09:48:42 UTC
Production and Invention at a pos is no longer managable, the same when compressing ore with a Rorqual.

Because of this unplayable features I will disable all of my 7 Accounts when they runout, if CCP doesn't change the hangar system to a managable like the old one.

I don't have any more fun in this game with such features


The hangars don't open at the same position as the last time you did open them
I first have to scroll down in the list tthrough all pos weapons to the labs and the select the hangar to open a new window, befor it was a rightclick Open Hangar to open it

This is now more fun only boring klicky klicky
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#892 - 2012-05-24 10:16:37 UTC
the new inventory is a huge PIECE OF ****!!!!!!!!!1111

1) I dont want all windows unified in ONE. I want them separately because its easier to handle them instead of that ****** tree window for navigation hangars

2) even if I separate the hangars in separate windows, they are closing themselves so I have all the clicks every ******* time over and over again!

3) if I click inventory open, I get rotating circle for several seconds, as it was there instantly before with the old system

4) its clumsy, its unintuitive to use, its laggy, it wastes me my monitor real estate!!

PUT THIS SHIIIIIIIIIIIT AWAY AND GIVE US OLD INVENTORY BACK!!!
Maraner
The Executioners
#893 - 2012-05-24 10:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Maraner
Ribikoka wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
spacehusky wrote:
This inventory window/issue makes me so sick, I could hardly log in. I only logged so I could see if there had been any comments by CCP. When you undock and the damn window opens, if you are in nullsec, well it is just an accident waiting to happen. Transferring cargo from one location to another just isn't that much more appealling this way to be worth the "progress" you believe it is; I was perfectly fine with opening multiple windows. I don't really need to be able to see the cargo of every ship in station just because I docked. I can do that anyway with a right click. I really don't care about the value of my items, if I did, then I could offer them for sale and then cancel. In 6 years in Eve, this is the most frustrated I've been by an "enhancement". This is one I could do without and hopefully you'll listen to the players and make the changes, until then, I'll find other things to do with my free evenings.


Ya this is not a helpful post at all. Just whining.

Offer ideas that they can implement and give them time to do it. Is that so hard?


Please CCP alt go away, back to your troll cave.



Seconded - bugger off to cave, if you dont have anything to add at least stfu about the fact your fellow pilots are very unhappy, if it wasnt for people like us you could go and microtransaction yourself a personality (oh wait....).

this is Incarna 2.0 all over again, not the room, the box. Same **** different patch, CCP ignored the Sisi feeback thread , now we are all here.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#894 - 2012-05-24 11:23:59 UTC
This UI is very very cumbersome. It's terrible and makes working with inventory very difficult. You took something that was not a problem and made it a problem. I'm not sure why you invented this or thought it would be a good idea.

Please Please please allow us to select the old inventory management interface.

as a side note this system might be better used sorting things not currently accessible. Like for example a system that sorts through all remote stuff including ship cargoholds and storage containers. That might be a better use for this type of interface.

Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please put back the old UI.

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Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#895 - 2012-05-24 11:31:39 UTC
Rammix wrote:
And devs have to read all these 40+ pages of WHINING, walls of text, hoping to see smth useful. Sad.


Maybe not, Rammix. Look at what we get when some of them start writing code! We're better off. Lol
Scarlet Johansen
Hiata Omega Zeta
#896 - 2012-05-24 12:09:26 UTC
Dennie Fleetfoot wrote:
Sorry guys. I know you've clearly done a lot of thought and effort about this. The tree idea is OK but as for the way its implemented and how windows work within station and space, I can tell you that after over an hour on Sisi you've got it wrong.

But it is fixable.

First of all, quite a few of us LIKE having multiple windows open because then we can organize things how WE want it. This new system doesn't allow for that. If it does, I apologize but you've hidden how to do it very, very well.

I like having a separate window for the cargo hold of the current ship. Its small but it's open at all times both docked and undocked. This new system doesn't allow for that.

I can open a separate window for my currently active ships cargo hold no problem BUT while I leave it open I have no access to opening the full inventory window, either in space or station until that that separate cargo hold window is closed. I can then open the full inventory window again and reopen that separate cargo window again. But you see the problem already, Its an extra step to perform, more effort in a UI that is trying to make it easier.

So I pin the full tree version of the inventory to where I would have it in station, so far so good. Then I fly in space, open a cargo canister from a dropped rat and BOOM the full inventory appears where I pinned it in station right over my overview. All I need from opening that canister is a small separate window that just shows me the loot that's in it. I don't need the tree, filter buttons etc, etc....

Basically, I want windows to open where I want them, I want to remove the tree from those windows when I don't need it. I want the windows to know if i'm in space or not and to remember that in space they open in a different place.

Someone has already said you should make it optional, I agree. It's taken three years to get the UI to do what I want. I'm not happy at the prospect of having to do all that again thank you very much.


i totally agree, this does not account for the little thigs that people have got used to, their methods, eg, wreck window opens in set place and LOOT it for fast salvagers, or station items window opens in set place u are used to, CTRL-A, drag ores to station n undock fast, this new Tree structure is good, but not for everyone, its more like a File system view, which isnt for all gamers, this new view should be optional, or fix some things so the windows u open with Shift Click will stay there.

I for one like lots of smaller windows open, i can see whats where at all times when im moving stuff around
Marcus Caspius
#897 - 2012-05-24 13:17:06 UTC
DUDE - It's a fail! It does not do what I need to achieve more efficiently.

It just seems harder.

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
Zanza Mechonis
What is tax
#898 - 2012-05-24 14:01:25 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Funny how anyone calling out the BS whine and fake leave posts is now a "CCP Alt"

You see if I was a CCP employee I would actually be asking those in charge of the forum to merge or remove these redundant whine topics in general and getting this topic cleaned up.


Dem forums... Always fun.

Personally I don't mind the new overview at all, and I could get used to it, but a revert to the old one is fine with me too. I honestly don't really care, but even if it is reverted quickly, it was a good attempt, just not as greatly executed and received as expected. Which is a shame :P

"On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid."
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#899 - 2012-05-24 14:34:10 UTC
Kemal Ataturk wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Lord Addi wrote:
... inventory is now gay...



Both my Toon and RL persona now hate you personally.

The UI Inventory is BAD. Gay is NOT bad.

Grow up and welcome to the 21st century you 12 Year Old Barbarian you.

addendum: and someone needs to erase your one pathetic Like.


Is your mustache a way to express yourself? Do you like the new UI?



Yes. No.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#900 - 2012-05-24 14:34:39 UTC
Marcus Caspius wrote:
DUDE - It's a fail! It does not do what I need to achieve more efficiently.

It just seems harder.



Correct except for the word 'seems'.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900