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I like this. Go!

Looks good to me. anything that reduces the amount of windows in this game is a good thing.

While you are at it, fix the industry window so we can resize it however we want.

At the first glipse on sisi I tought, "WTF CCP Did!!!" and then I played on sisi for about 5 hours... now i fell unconfortable about the tranquility!!! This new item management sistem is verry god, people will fell unconfortable about it in the beguinning, but they will like it more and more as they will use it....

But I still have some doubts about it... expecialy about how it will work in the POS like:

1 - Can we now separate ower items from other corp members inside the hangars in diferent folders?

2- Can we now separate ower ships in the SMA from other corp members in diferent folders?

Having tried out the new UI a bit more today I’ve come to the conclusion that for people who stay in station docked most of the time it works. A bit clunky but it works, everything is there and you can open as many windows as you wish and access all your stuff from the one window.

Where it falls down with a resounding crash is flying in space, then the single window, shift click for everything is a disaster. It takes far too long to do things, nothing is consistent, you use shift click in one place, right click in another and double click somewhere else.

Windows open where you last opened the last window not where you last opened the actual window. If you shift click many windows they open in cascade format not tiled back to where you set them up and just as you need to see the ship firing at you, you click the cargo button and the screen vanishes under the inventory window.

Don’t get me started on trying to access the Orca bays in space, talk about a mess…

Sorry CCP, a good try but it just don’t work in practice unless you’re docked, and if you really want some fun, dock with a cargo hold full of assorted junk and try dragging and dropping it into multiple open cargo containers to sort while storing it, then try changing ships and fitting the ship from the same containers but after you closed them and have to re-open them.

I remember my first summer in EvE with this character. I was part of a mining op as a hauler, a Badger mk II with 7-8 GSC.
I spent about 80% warping, 15% moving to cans or looting them, 5% in station. Part of the time I spent in station was waiting for Scotty to get his arse into gear and let me undock. It was quick, easy and kind to me, even though I was stressed to the sun and back.
With this new system? I wouldn't agree to hauling.
I would spend perhaps 50% warping, 5% moving about in the belt; the rest of the time navigating the inventory. Be it shift-clicking to open new windows, be it moving within windows, be it cursing the person that coded it; I wouldn't be happy.

I don't even want to test how it'd work with an orca. I don't want to get angry enough to put my fist through the screen.

This is a fantastic system, for assets.
/bittervet?

First an instance of a problem with the new UI system, then what I think (may not be agreeable to others) might give everyone the best of both worlds and solve a lot of the problems.

First the problem;
Situation, I am docked in my Orca
Open the new Inventory window
Title bar shows ‘Inventory: ship name (active ship) (Orca)’
Leave the window open
Drag and drop a ship (my Helios), from the merged ‘Ships’ tab in the station services window
Ship changes in the background (fine, expected)

Inventory title stays the same ‘Inventory: ship name (active ship) (Orca)’
Highlight bar in the tree view moves down the list staying on the Orca
The Helios has now moved to the top of the list but is not highlighted, it is however shown in the tree view list as the active ship
The right hand window still shows the contents of the Orca’s cargo hold not the Helios’s.
I have to (scroll if a long list of ships) to the top of the tree view and click to highlight the active ship to display the contents of the cargo hold

The above change of active ships should change the contents of the ‘Active Window’ by default I should not have to click and highlight the selection myself.

Now what I consider would be most helpful and make the UI more consistent for everyone;

It stems from the fact that on TQ a right click, select and click an item, opens a new window. It does not matter if this is a container, new ship, cargo hold or the market.

This simple functionality should peculate over to the new UI. Right clicking any object, list, icon whatever, should give a selection and clicking it should just open a new window, be that the (default) inventory, or a last know position and settings for that object, window, whatever.

We then have the best of both worlds, those that want the new UI can open it with the new Neocom button, those that need single open windows can use the right click menus and it remains consistent with how TQ works at the moment.

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Then as I said - there is the indirect ramification factor in these things. Overview update which took place not so long ago was really nice - mostly. It followed pretty much the same pattern than keyboard SC-update. The way people select their targets and want the overview to lock was still not researched and taken into account properly. Feature was pushed to tranq and damage control took place in form of several patches when stuff was partially researched afterwards.

Again end result was one size fits for all solution, ignoring that there are 2 ways how people lock and interact with targets. Others hold some keyboard short cut key down,. expect that overview gets locked then, and click target they want to interact with. Then there is the another half who want to select targets 1st and and interact with them later. They obviously expect that their overview gets locked when scrolling the overview up and down with keys and might want it to lock also when mousing over it (just like it does now). Then again both players would most likely want to have/set optional short cut key to manually lock the overview when that key is held down/toggled.

End result with overview update was, that usability is worse again for the same group of people who got boot to the head during the keyboard short cut update. Performance of that thing increased and many other stuff looks better, but usability is not the same. It works - yes. Is it what it could have been with couple options in esc menu? Not even close.

Then we hop to neocom project. I've talked a lot about this recently and probably will continue to do so for quite obvious reasons. This was 3rd major example what happens when user interaction and reasoning behind clients functions is not researched before going for the complete overhaul of existing feature.

I'm not going to go too deep with this one as this post is very big wall already. I'll just do some listing about part of the issues which are still worse than they were before the entire neocom update. I'm sure you can draw your conclusions from there.

- There is no task bar in bottom of the screen any more. This makes using multible chat windows and information/blinking in their labels much more inconvenient/impossible.
--> People used to like their single chat windows blinking in bottom bar. This gave clear indication when there was new chatter waiting in any of them. You could bring the correct chat up with one click if you wanted to do so and still have choice to ignore the other unimportant blinky ones if preferred to do so.
--> You could see member amounts in minimized windows, for example how many members in local or when new people log into corporation chat.
--> Minimize buttons all together in windows are pretty useless now. Before you could minimize "work in progress" windows to bottom bar, keep track and cycle between them easily. Now they minimize to neocom bar and it is pretty hard/impossible to even start figuring which one is open and what does their label say.
- Blinking doesn't work properly and is really annoying. It activates on event, but no longer blink only couple times and leave icon highlighted. It doesn't re-blink after each new event any more either.
--> the chat button blinks for all the chats and distracts even there wasn't anything important going on in the chats you need to follow in that particular moment. In other words entire button is horrible idea.
--> blinking windows stop blinking when you briefly mouse over them. In other words when you press for example character sheet button at top of the neocom bar and move your mouse to undock button, none of your windows blink any more. Blink should stop after small delay when tool tip appears or when icon is accessed instead (and as I said constant blink is bad thing to start with).
- Date is missing from clock. May sound like minor issue but it is still an issue well known by the developers.
- Char name is missing and making multi client users life little harder if portrait icons look the same.
- Generic "zero use" icons are appearing to bar when doing various tasks or opening windows. They are also missing labels which we had when stuff could be minimized to bottom bar.

...so all in all - what to expect to get from unified inventory after this. It doesn't take much to see the picture and probably explains why I'm having some negative mood and expectations.

There is this saying that "you can't please everyone". Then there is this saying "you can't please everyone if you don't even try". Now which one describes CCP the best. This is not rocket science.

(serious face)

I have been on Sisi to use this 'thing' called the Inventory Window.

You now have a brand new shiny enemy.

THIS will cause the most anger since 'The Door' once it's live. No BS.

Clicks

Scrollbars

and DropDowns !

Tiger's Spirit, if something is idiotism - it's always idiotism, whether said by a noob or not; when it's not - it's always not.
I don't believe in experience and prefer to use brains. Because it only can compensate lack of knowledge/acumen but is useless by itself, that is why I don't ever see experience as a valid argument. Only as something to manipulate me into accepting an alien opinion.

Secondly, seems you and I look at new UI from totally different points of view: I prefer more mouse clicking instead of typing; using inventory is less than 10% of my ingame activity; I don't need 10+ windows open, even if needed new system would suit me. My set of modules in POS hangar doesn't change very often, and customizeable filters will help a lot to find modules for fitting on my ships.

I don't understand people who panic at first sight of a new feature. It's NEW, give it some time, it's meaningless to curse it beforehand. You must accept, it has good sides, so just turn on your patience, give feedback to CCP about what you want (without arguing through 25 pages of the topic and using offensive words) and wait until this new UI improves.
I've said enough.