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So why is CCP supporting the Burn Jita event?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#381 - 2012-05-05 14:05:37 UTC
I like all the hard asses in here saying "Deal With IT" or "Cry More" without seeing the big picture. I personally don't give a damn, I don't deal with Jita. But when this action and behavior goes unpunished, when Goons see they can manipulate and affect a real company through in game action, and when they continue to do so just to do so, they'll see that you indeed reap what you sow.

They continue things like Burn Jita through high-sec
Casuals/People-with-life gamers can't play (majority of players)
Subscriptions drop
continue to drop
All that's left are Goons and a few other people
CCP looses money
continues to loose money
Eve closes down
Goons win, smile and laugh, and move to ruin the next game.

If CCP realized what could and will happen in the future without their intervention and putting their foot down, they wouldn't look like they don't have a spine.

inb4 Goon says im a whinny carebear
inb4 deal with it
inb4 cry to ccp moar, not crying, I don't even goto Jita. Consider it a prediction.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#382 - 2012-05-05 14:11:49 UTC
Anslo wrote:


They continue things like Burn Jita through high-sec
Casuals/People-with-life gamers can't play (majority of players)
Subscriptions drop
continue to drop
All that's left are Goons and a few other people
CCP looses money
continues to loose money
Eve closes down
Goons win, smile and laugh, and move to ruin the next game.



Reality says otherwise.

The Tears Must Flow
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#383 - 2012-05-05 14:19:34 UTC
"eve is dying because of something i don't like" argument #589,987
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
#384 - 2012-05-05 14:43:33 UTC
Mohadeeb wrote:
So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe.

Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed.

CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game.

If all you carebears organised yourselves and moved systems for a while you'd be unaffected. why can't Perimeter or Kisogo be the new Jita for a while. Think outside the square. hell if goons are in Jita **** off to 0.0 take your freighter Twisted

GLHF

P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).

You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#385 - 2012-05-05 14:46:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Anslo wrote:
I like all the hard asses in here saying "Deal With IT" or "Cry More" without seeing the big picture. I personally don't give a damn, I don't deal with Jita. But when this action and behavior goes unpunished, when Goons see they can manipulate and affect a real company through in game action, and when they continue to do so just to do so, they'll see that you indeed reap what you sow.

They continue things like Burn Jita through high-sec
Casuals/People-with-life gamers can't play (majority of players)
Subscriptions drop
continue to drop
All that's left are Goons and a few other people
CCP looses money
continues to loose money
Eve closes down
Goons win, smile and laugh, and move to ruin the next game.

If CCP realized what could and will happen in the future without their intervention and putting their foot down, they wouldn't look like they don't have a spine.

inb4 Goon says im a whinny carebear
inb4 deal with it
inb4 cry to ccp moar, not crying, I don't even goto Jita. Consider it a prediction.


honestly, all Goons have to do to influence CCP'd decision making we saw this summer. You think 9k or so plus alts etc unsubs WONT bend CCP to do what Goons want? I dont envy CCP's position honestly

Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:
Mohadeeb wrote:
So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe.

Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed.

CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game.

If all you carebears organised yourselves and moved systems for a while you'd be unaffected. why can't Perimeter or Kisogo be the new Jita for a while. Think outside the square. hell if goons are in Jita **** off to 0.0 take your freighter Twisted

GLHF

P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).

You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.


Kugu was a Goon?

as for the last bit action... louder than QQ

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#386 - 2012-05-05 14:51:54 UTC
Events like this is good for EVE.

Every dead ship is good for economy.

Goons did nothing really special, same kind of things happen everywhere on EVE every day, only thing different was that they did it in massive scale and advertised it.

Still EVE is running year after year.
Karan Veer
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#387 - 2012-05-05 14:58:53 UTC
I simply cannot believe that people are dismissing this event.

I personally have been yearning for a chance to see a huge battle ever since I created my account as I am sure most new players do.

Sure my ship blew up in less than 10 seconds of warping into the pileup but it was FUN!

If anything, it gives new players a good example of how EVE 'differs' from other games that they have played; that pvp is not limited to 'special' places for it and every day is more unpredictable than the last.

So what if you got griefed and lost a few million isk or couldn't make your cut from trading for a day; this aspect of choice, of being able to take risks is what defines eve.


NOT TO MENTION, the role-playing implications of this event. When was the last time Jita faced a real threat in the life of EvE? The lore of eve is filled with warfare and destruction. This event was a great embodiment of it and I appreciate that.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#388 - 2012-05-05 15:05:42 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Events like this is good for EVE.

Every dead ship is good for economy.

Goons did nothing really special, same kind of things happen everywhere on EVE every day, only thing different was that they did it in massive scale and advertised it.

Still EVE is running year after year.



Yeah look at kills in Jita any weekend at prime time lol

and Goons doing this only got big numbers cause there are a lotta stupid ppl willing to undock there even with a month's warning.

Whatever happened to the PLEX scam?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#389 - 2012-05-05 15:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Oraac Ensor wrote:
mechtech wrote:
I don't think you understand Eve. Look at your quote "Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?"

No. You pay $15 to play Eve how you like, just like Goons pay $15 to play Eve how they like, which is what makes the game worth playing.

Did you think for even 2 seconds before posting that?

Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way.

If "how they like" is defined as "never dying" then no, they can't play that way. You die sometimes. It's a video game. Stay calm. You'll respawn in a few seconds.

Edit: And for the record there are several other trade hubs you could have used instead of jita. I do my shopping in amarr because it's closer. It works just fine, trust me.

Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

We don't know that it wasn't. Human nature being what it is I find it more logical to assume the worst until proven otherwise. They didn't even fire t20. Does that sound like they think he did something wrong to you? I know I've been fired for a lot less.
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#390 - 2012-05-05 15:58:08 UTC
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).

You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.


CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision.



Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#391 - 2012-05-06 04:39:11 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Every dead ship is good for economy.


Truth...Capitalism is driven through spending, destruction causes replacement/rebuilding, which causes spending. Destruction also keeps inflation in check, by keeping everyone's pockets lighter, Supply and Demand works both ways, if Suppliers cannot sell the product because no one can afford it, they have 2 options, sit on it, or lower prices. Consistent Resource destruction keeps the players wallets lighter, meaning prices need to drop in order for sales to be made...not to mention, destruction seems to be the only real leakage to the economy, that I have noticed (I may be wrong on this, because of my limited experience with the game), tax and brokerage rates are negligable, but I'm sure they help. No leakages create inflation as well (at least in this type of environment).

Also, as a new Player, this kind of event is exactly what I was looking for.

As for those who claim they didn't know about it, are you kidding? I had been playing for about a week before BJ, and I heard about it every time I logged in...lol...it came up multiple times in chat...I guess if you really were isolated from the rest of the community, then I could see not knowing, but then why are you playing an MMO?

I played the whole weekend, and I didn't lose a single ship to BJ...hmmm...does it make you sad that a n00b did better then you? (Hint: all you had to do was not go to Jita)

Oh well, good job GS! I hope more events happen in the near future and I look forward to the day my skills and network are advanced enough to participate as an ally or enemy.

*Edit - Fixed quote

James315 for CSM 8!
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#392 - 2012-05-06 04:41:13 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Every dead ship is good for economy.


Truth...Capitalism is driven through spending, destruction causes replacement/rebuilding, which causes spending. Destruction also keeps inflation in check, by keeping everyone's pockets lighter, Supply and Demand works both ways, if Suppliers cannot sell the product because no one can afford it, they have 2 options, sit on it, or lower prices. Consistent Resource destruction keeps the players wallets lighter, meaning prices need to drop in order for sales to be made...not to mention, destruction seems to be the only real leakage to the economy, that I have noticed (I may be wrong on this, because of my limited experience with the game), tax and brokerage rates are negligable, but I'm sure they help. No leakages create inflation as well (at least in this type of environment).

Also, as a new Player, this kind of event is exactly what I was looking for.

As for those who claim they didn't know about it, are you kidding? I had been playing for about a week before BJ, and I heard about it every time I logged in...lol...it came up multiple times in chat...I guess if you really were isolated from the rest of the community, then I could see not knowing, but then why are you playing an MMO?

I played the whole weekend, and I didn't lose a single ship to BJ...hmmm...does it make you sad that a n00b did better then you? (Hint: all you had to do was not go to Jita)

Oh well, good job GS! I hope more events happen in the near future and I look forward to the day my skills and network are advanced enough to participate as an ally or enemy.

*Edit - Fixed quote


This guy has a bright future and will enjoy the game more than you.

Hello, hello again.
Patrick Estemaire
Cosmic Puppet Theatre
#393 - 2012-05-06 05:04:30 UTC
Congrats Goons, for all the people you've managed to put tinfoil hats on.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#394 - 2012-05-06 05:17:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Anslo wrote:
"Deal With IT" "Cry More"


I agree

Styx Cyc wrote:
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).

You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.


CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision.



Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last.



lol STFU if ppl know what to look for it wont be so easy to get away with

turn on the kugu symbol!!

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#395 - 2012-05-06 05:21:29 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Anslo wrote:
"Deal With IT" "Cry More"

I agree

Great quotes there.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#396 - 2012-05-06 05:22:15 UTC
Patrick Estemaire wrote:
Congrats Goons, for all the people you've managed to put tinfoil hats on.

If only we had some kind of Tin price cartel...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#397 - 2012-05-06 05:22:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Anslo wrote:
"Deal With IT" "Cry More"

I agree

Great quotes there.



Multiple personalities, One might be a Goon sympathizer

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#398 - 2012-05-06 05:42:23 UTC
Styx Cyc wrote:
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).

You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.


CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision.



Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last.


Something that will make you add to the tinfoil in your hat. The person who handles the oversight of employees account activities is also the same one who handles bot and RMT Hunting. He was former-SOLODRAKBAN CEO Darius JOHNSON. Now the really, really awesome CCP Sreegs.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#399 - 2012-05-06 06:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Lapine Davion wrote:
Styx Cyc wrote:
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).

You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.


CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision.



Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last.


Something that will make you add to the tinfoil in your hat. The person who handles the oversight of employees account activities is also the same one who handles bot and RMT Hunting. He was former-SOLODRAKBAN CEO Darius JOHNSON. Now the really, really awesome CCP Sreegs.


lol yeah funny aint it?

Lead designer, Goon

IA (the ppl that go after the ppl who do wrong in the company) Goon

Youd think theyd start snipping these posts and banning ppl for bringing that up lol

I laught at ppl who think Goons havent won this game given the positions they hold in the company that runs it.

Yea call it tinfoil, I never said I was sane anyways, and my mental state has little bearing on the truth of the matter

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#400 - 2012-05-06 11:06:58 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Styx Cyc wrote:
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:

How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?

CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).

You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.


CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision.



Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last.


Something that will make you add to the tinfoil in your hat. The person who handles the oversight of employees account activities is also the same one who handles bot and RMT Hunting. He was former-SOLODRAKBAN CEO Darius JOHNSON. Now the really, really awesome CCP Sreegs.


Now that the Goon has tipped their hand, does THAT answer the why question?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.