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FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN ('The Plan')

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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
#81 - 2012-01-28 13:44:52 UTC
How are you going to rais ethe pirate factions. As of now my angel is like -9.x. if you do minmatar missions you will have to shoot angels cartel.

Mine is Bigger **than **Yours ! <<<
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-01-28 14:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan#Pirate_Standings

Well, basically I'll do it like how it's listed in 'The Plan'. After completing both Pirate Epic Arcs with the Social skills maxed, my standing with Angels and Guristas should be close to neutral which will allow me to start working their level 1 Cosmos Agents. I may have to wait until I complete the Pirate Epic Arcs a 2nd time to complete the higher level Pirate Cosmos Agents.

I'm not looking to make all Pirate Factions positive since my goal is to just complete all Event Agents in the game. I figure with high Empire Faction standings, I can afford the standing hits to complete the Pirate Cosmos Agents since there's only 7 agents for each of those 2 Pirate Factions. After that, I'll add the Pirate Epic Arcs into rotation with the other Epic Arcs to continue raising Angel and Guristas Faction standings along with the Empire Factions.

DMC

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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
#83 - 2012-01-28 19:04:20 UTC
But if you do the Epic Arcs for the pirate faction doe you not shoot the other faction ships - and will that not give you a big negative in the other factions - even if you are at >+5.

Mine is Bigger **than **Yours ! <<<
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-01-28 20:14:17 UTC
Well, I've never done the Pirate Epic Arcs but they're probably set up like the level 4 Epic Arcs, large Faction standing increase with little to no negative standing hits.

For more info about the Pirate Epic Arcs, best to get in touch with a player who has done the Pirate Epic Arcs quite a few times and also sells support packages (guide with bookmarks) for those arcs - Substantia Nigra - she posted a reply in this thread - page 1 post 7 - her signature has a link to info about the Pirate Support Packages.

Anyway, like I said, my goal is to complete all Event Agents in this game. I won't work the Pirate Event Agents untill after I've completed all the Empire Event Agents, by then my standings should be really high.

If the Pirate Epic Arcs have a lot of Faction standing hits, I'll only complete them once or twice, just enough to work the Pirate Cosmos Agents. That way I can complete my goal.

DMC

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OfBalance
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-01-29 01:24:52 UTC  |  Edited by: OfBalance
DMC,

"The Plan" wrote:
The Level 3 and Level 4 Epic mission arcs require a specific amount of positive standing with the starting Agents Corporation or Faction for access. If using Corporation standing for access, the Faction must be above -2.00 standing.


I take this to mean you do not need standing with all agent corps involved in an epic arc? ie. 5.0 standing with Expert Distribution allows full completion of 'Penumbra,' or am I misinterpreting?

Oh and congrats on the impressive standing numbers there. Very nice.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-01-29 05:16:14 UTC
OfBalance,

Thanks, wait til I complete the level 4 Cosmos Agents and do another round or two of Epic Arcs.

Blink

Yes, you only need to have +5.00 or higher corporation standing and above -2.00 Faction standing with the level 4 epic arc starting agent. After that, the rest of the agents in the Arcs don't check your standings. The level 4 arcs are mainly high sec locations with a few missions in low sec but those are usually small courier missions.

The level 1 SoE epic arc doesn't require any standing to start, but it does require you to travel in all Empire Factions space. So you'll want to have all Empire Factions above -5.00 standing and your personal security status above -2.00 standing. If not, then Faction Navy NPC's will attack. All missions are high sec locations.

The level 3 Pirate epic arcs require +3.00 or higher corporation standing and above -2.00 Faction standing with the starting agent. There's 3 different starting agents for these arcs. 1 Pirate agent and 2 Empire agents. The Pirate arcs are set up for small ships, such as Interceptors and the missions are located in 0.0 space.

I hope this answers your question. Good luck to you and much success.

DMC

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-01-31 01:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Just wanted to update everyone on my progress so far.

My last update had Caldari well above +6.00 and Gallente below +6.00. I need to work both Gallente and Caldari level 4 cosmos agents at the same time due to the huge amount of standing, both negative and positive, that will be incurred. Doing so will basically continue raising all the Factions and insure that I won't be locked out.

My previous statistics:

Empire Faction Standings - Modified (Base):
Caldari State +6.81 (+6.01),
Amarr Empire +6.10 (+5.12),
Minmatar Republic +5.93 (+4.91),
Gallente Federation +5.84 (+4.80),
The Interbus +5.04 (+3.80),
Khanid Kingdom +4.59 (+3.23),
Ammatar Mandate +4.46 (+3.07),
Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),

I had to do some creative missioning to balance my standings out a bit more and raise Gallente standing for access to their level 4 Cosmos agents without locking out the Caldari level 4 Cosmos agents. I did some regular mission grinding for storyline offers from Gallente and SoE. I completed a storyline mission for level 1, 2 and 3 Gallente agents and one storyline for SoE level 1 agent. Hopefully I can now start working the level 4 Gallente and Caldari Cosmos agents at the same time. When I say at the same time, that means having a mission from each Faction active in the journal.

My current statistics:

Empire Standings - Modified (Base):
Caldari State +6.58 (+5.73),
Minmatar Republic +6.04 (+5.05),
Amarr Empire +6.01 (+5.01),
Gallente Federation +6.00 (+5.00),
The Interbus +5.05 (+3.82),
Khanid Kingdom +4.49 (+3.11),
Ammatar Mandate +4.32 (+2.90),
Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),

Social Skills:
Social lv 5
Connections lv 5
Fast Talk lv 5
Diplomacy lv 5
Negotiation lv 5

Data Center Tags completed:
Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - need Gold
Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Gold
Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass
Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold
Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower

Epic Arcs Completed:
Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 5x (1x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente)
Level 4 Amarr = 1x
Level 4 Caldari = 1x
Level 4 Gallente = 1x
Level 4 Minmatar = 1x

Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions

Cosmos Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions = level 3 and lower

Special Agents Completed (Security Status):
Christer Fuglesang = Concord
Jeremy Tacs = Concord

Security Status:
+5.85

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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-02-01 18:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Romeo Deluxe
Dunno if I should start a separate thread, but ran into some Circle Agents woes.

Quote:
I completed the Amarr Circle Agents and received no standings increase. Checked it using Show Transactions. As shown in the following forum post it was suggested to submit a petition.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=546078#post546078


Quote:
Hi,

The Circle agents don't necessarily give any standings increase. There is just 1 agent in the line which can give a standings increase, he has 2 missions and 1 of them is once-per-character and gives a standing increase. If you did the other mission, you won't get any. This is not a bug, repeatable missions shouldn't give standing increases.

Best regards,
GM ****
EVE Online Customer Support


I may have worded it wrong, I got Corp Standings increase but no Amarr Empire Faction Standing increase. I should have gotten an Empire Faction boost from at least one of the Circle Agents, correct?

As a side note, Ain Ikani gives me no more missions, get the standard I have no more work for you message.

===============Update================
Holy crap! I see the problem and I think I fixed it myself. Will post full details here shortly.

========UPDATE 2=====================
yep, fixed it myself, here is what happened

I went to check my transactions for time period I did the Amarr Circle Agents, so on my log I start with Ain Ikani

  • 1/24/2012 @ 22:15 To The Front Lines
  • 1/24/2012 @ 22:27 Robotics For Sarum Family
  • 1/24/2012 @ 22:36 Cargo Transportation
  • 1/24/2012 @ 22:43 Equipping The Troops
  • 1/24/2012 @ 22:55 Ready for Relocation

See anything wrong? The second mission per Evelopedia should have been "The Carthum Executive". So I went to visit Ilia Abazen again and once again she gave me "Robotics for Sarum Family". On a hunch I went ahead and did it then ran back to her. The next mission she gave me was "The Carthum Executive" and it had the text at the top about this is an important storyline mission, etc. Did this mission and bam! I got my Empire Faction boost.

It appears I got a regular mission instead of the Circle mission when I first went to this particular agent. So the lesson here is to double check the missions you completed against the Evelopedia information. If you get a regular mission, just do it and go back to that agent until you get the right mission.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-02-01 19:42:47 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Romeo Deluxe, thanks for posting that.

Yes, only 1 agent in the group will give a Faction standing increase only once in the life of the character. The standing increase is small and might not show just from looking at your standings. In the character sheet - standings section - right click the Faction and select 'show transactions'. The name of one of the missions those agents offer should be listed.

If you've never completed those agents before and you haven't received a Faction standing increase from one of the agents in the group, politely request that the petition be escalated to a Senior GM / Dev.

As for those missions always being repeatable, they used to be like that quite a while ago. Now I'm not so sure about them due to CCP doing a lot of changes to various agents over the past years. I had contacted CCP about the Circle Agents a couple of years ago when I was creating a page for them in the Evelopedia.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Circle_Agents

After quite a few messages back and forth regarding the Circle Agents, I was informed that the amount of the player's personal security status will affect the agents offering more missions. Supposedly if your security status is between -1.00 and +1.00 those agents will continue offering their missions. I don't know if the GM / Dev misunderstood my question or what.

Anyway that explanation still doesn't sound very plausible to me but since CCP is known for having agents act strangely, I wouldn't doubt it. The whole situation was turning into a major time sink for me when all I wanted to do was create an Evelopedia page about them.

That's the reason I included this statement in the opening description about the 'Circle Agents' :
Quote:
There have been reports that some of these Agents are overworked and will no longer offer repeatable missions. However, that information has yet to be verified.


Well, I hope I was able to shed some light on your situation and like I already stated - If you've never completed those agents before and you didn't received a Faction standing increase from one of the agents in the group, politely request that the petition be escalated to a Senior GM / Dev.

Good luck to you,

DMC

Cool


EDIT:
Ahhh, I see you got your Faction standing mission offer from them. I guess CCP added that other mission to that agent since it wasn't there before back when I completed those agents. I guess it's intended to be like the other Circle Agent groups where only 1 agent in the group offers 2 missions back to back, with the 2nd mission being the Faction standing increase. If the agent didn't offer those 2 missions automatically, probably be a good idea to file a bug report about it. The Evelopedia page should be updated as well.

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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-02-01 20:13:34 UTC
You might want to add something similar to what I said at the end, but phrased a little better for the Evelopedia page
Quote:
You may get a regular mission instead of the Circle mission listed from a particular agent. So the lesson here is to double check the missions you completed against the Evelopedia information. If you get a regular mission, just do it and go back to that agent until you get the right Circle mission.


Anyways, on to the next challenge. Cool
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-02-01 20:21:34 UTC
Yeah, actually that agent should offer those 2 missions back to back automatically. Not doing so sounds more like a bug to me which should be reported. Maybe you could file that report? Anyway, good job on finding that bug and a work-around solution for it.

Thanks again for posting that information.

DMC

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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-02-02 22:15:21 UTC
I had a bit more communication with the GM's and this my final say on the matter. I have other things to do. P
Quote:
I disagree and this is a bug. Ikani gave me a referral to Abazen. I did the mission for Abazen and it was the wrong mission for Faction, it was a regular Corp Mission, but still Abazen gave me a referral to the next agent in the Circle Nakan. The referral should have been triggered by the Faction mission and not by the repeatable Corp mission.

However, the player community now has the right info and can get around this minor bug. It may cause confusion but one can still get the one time Faction boost.


I noticed someone added the mission 'Robotics For Sarum Family' to the Circle Agents page. I don't know if that mission ever gives Faction Standing. Oh well, this is now up to others to gather info on, I'm deep in the Data Centers now.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-02-03 03:23:34 UTC
Thanks for the update.

The mission - 'Robotics for Sarum Family' - was offered to you first before the Faction standing mission - 'The Carthum Executive'.

That makes it follow the same pattern as the other Factions Circle Agent groups. I added the mission name info to the Evelopedia page. I just wanted to make sure everyone has complete up to date information pertaining to the Event Agents..

Thanks again for posting that info. If you happen to find any other inconsistency, please post it here.


DMC

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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-02-14 03:53:12 UTC
Another anomaly of Circle Agents! The Minmatar gave me 3 empire faction boosts. Lol

Call to Arms
Native Freshfood Special
Coolant Run

So if you get a boost early in the list of agents, don't stop there and keep going for possibly more standings with empires.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-02-14 10:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Nice, and gratz.

According to my rather old notes, it shows 'Native Freshfood Special' as the only mission to give Faction standing increase. Of course like I said earlier, I completed those missions a long time ago and I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some changes.

'Show Transactions' on Minmatar Republic Faction standings should list all mission names that incur Faction standing.



DMC

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GF07M8
#96 - 2012-02-14 19:26:17 UTC
A question about one of the L4 empire epic arcs. I would be more specific, but I am trying to avoid more traffic coming to hunt me so I will be as vague as I can.

I am on a chain that has taken me to lowsec where I have plenty of experience getting around in my cloaky+hard-to-probe tengu; however, I have not used said tengu to run difficult missions so much as easier exploration sites before. Again, being vague as to avoid further proliferation in local here: do the lowsec missions have a similar level of fire-power I have come to expect from the other L4 epic arc missions?

I ask because my tengu's tank has been tested quite a few times already and with the dual ECCM/cloak setup I have to take a fairly substantial hit to my tank and dps. I could drop the cloak for in-system missions, but due to the not-inconsequential traffic in the area I don't think it wise to leave it off for gate to gate travel. I'm working with one account so ye ol' scout-ahead trick will be quite impossible to manage.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-02-14 20:59:35 UTC
That's a good question.

All the guides and info I've seen about the low sec paths for the level 4 arcs are mainly courier type missions. There are a few encounter missions in low sec but those are not as tough as the high sec encounter missions.

I referenced both the Evelopedia and Eve-Survival for info about the missions before I made a choice of which path to follow.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Right_to_Rule (Amarr)

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Penumbra (Caldari)

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Syndication (Gallente)

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wildfire (Minmatar)

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc


For the Epic Arcs, I started with a T2 rigged Faction / Deadspace fitted T2 Command Ship (Sleipnir) then switched to a T2 rigged Faction / Deadspace fitted T3 Strategic Cruiser (Loki). The extra cost of the Faction / Deadspace modules is well worth it, allowing the missions to be completed much easier and faster. The T3 Cruiser has higher defense, smaller signature radius, faster speed and quicker align time. Of course it also has less DPS output but it can still kill the NPC's.

The only mission I had trouble with was the very last mission of the Caldari level 4 epic arc due to NPC EWAR perma jamming. Using FoF missiles will take a long time to complete it solo. To quickly complete that mission, just have a fleet member or two take out the EWAR NPC's.

Hope this info helps, good luck to you.

DMC

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2012-02-14 21:19:26 UTC
GF07M8 wrote:

do the lowsec missions have a similar level of fire-power I have come to expect from the other L4 epic arc missions?


The short answer is no! The lvl4 epic arc missions that take you into lowsec and nullsec are generally pretty cruisy missions from the DPS / encounter perspective. The areas where they happen are also pretty quiet. Unlike the pirate arcs the systems seem to be fixed (or mebbe I have just got the same systems by chance everytime).

Check out the details in Jowen Datloran's excellent guides - http://lorebook.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=1&Itemid=2

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-02-14 22:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Substantia Nigra, thanks for posting that info. I totally forgot to include it with my previous reply.

And it's even linked as one of the guides listed in 'The Plan'.

Oops

Embarrassing to say the least, especially since I had also referenced it a couple of times while working the Epic Arcs.



Sorry bout that and much 'Creds' to Jowen Datloran and his excellent Eve Online Lorebook.



DMC

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2012-02-15 01:04:03 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Substantia Nigra, thanks for posting that info.



LOL, of course I could have said ...

Quote:

Hek dood! Why you want to do those baby girl lvl4 epic arcs when the pirate arcs are waiting for you to go prove yourself a real woman? C'mon get real, they only stir the blood with a few glancing blows into dangerous space. Yawn!!

Now the pirate arcs, they're different. They're way off deep in nullsec, all the way, and little girls who aren't careful get killed there ... many times. The pirate arcs also pay way better, and you can complete them in a rifter ... if you got the guts for it.

Of course, being the kind-hearted vendor that I am, I can sell you a brilliant support package to assist you in completing the pirate arcs, having all the fun, and pocketing all those iskies.

Check out our uber information page, and buy, buy, buy!

All the good stuff is here!



But of course I would never hijack your thread with such a brash marketing ploy, especially at risk of CCP sanction.

/me wanders off to report self for off-topic posting.




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