EVE General Discussion

I already see alliances slicing the datacore cake. Finally T2 will become as expensive as intended. Look at T2 rigs, they should lead the way.

Well - the market should fix that - as there will be decreased supply of e.g. gallente data cores, prices will increase and it will become very profitable to join gallente FW - it wont be necessary to hire mercs or do it yourself because people will relaize the insane profits that could be made and start fighting over it (provided they don't make it stealth-bomber PVE as it is now).

Generally I'd say T2 ships are way too expensive for what they offer currently, especially if you count in the far longer skill times.

Alliances bored of nullsec and joining FW to farm it could indeed become a problem though.

Maybe, but why should the militias sell datacores unless the demand pushes the prices up? Faction ships and modules will continue to sell and serve as an income source. I am pretty sure some first speculators are buying datacores now, which alone will drive the prices up.

Each Empire faction has its technologies and with the different technologies come different datacores. Best is you check out each datacore and for what it is used.

Pretty much this.

I have mentioned it before on these forums, but how does CCP Greyscale and CCP Soundwave have absolute and overriding authority to make massive changes to the game on their own personal whims while other aspects to this game like Walking In Stations are based around a team concept? Talk about a (potential) dysfunctional working environment at CCP.

Hearing about this I went around and redeemed most of my RP although not all. Its not worth 30 minutes of time to pick up cores worth 30 or 40 million.... it would really take 60 minutes but not with full atteniton.. enough attention though that it would impact the efficiency of what i was doing on the other sceens.

Datacores ARE NOT Passive income !

They take a lot of hours to pick up and game play efforts hauling and not crashing markets etc.

They passively accrue but they took one heck of a lot of hours to get going --- training skills (yest planning skill quues takes more than a few minutes and logging in and out of a character never takes me much less than 5 minutes.... but mostly building standing,, examining markets and determining the best agents I could get in a trade off with time building standing and value of the different types of cores.

That initial time and expensive of books and tags (maybe 50 to 100 milion depending on how many tags) needs to be prorated into future earnings but even more... after a few years, if you went once a year to pick your cores up and had maybe 1.5 billion worth acrooss say 7 characters, it would take you(its taken me) 10 hours to get all of those points redeemed and item safely (thats a trick in itself) transported to a major hub to sell them.

I'm actually only 7 hours in because it's tedious as all hell just paying 1/2 atttention and not autopiloting when i've got a 500 million load etc.... 100s and 100's of jumps.

Maybe this most recent activity as a stand alone (just picking up a years worth from various chars with various lvl research agents) maybe I've made 150 million an hour for this once a year privalage that caps at 10 hours.

Its not like some people don't have incursions dialed in or multiboxed and ble to earn in that vicinity from time to time.

I'm not arguing that the system is perfect nor am I arguing that I'm entitled to anything -- stuff gets nerfed sometimes and i'll lose..big deal

I would take issue with the notion of it being "passive income" though. A simple change capping maximum accumlated points at 6 months worth would drastically change things and might even make it not worth most long time players time to pick them up from many agents.

Good from the currrent system ? It was engaging for me to study the space map and markets , set a goal and achieve the goal of getting the little industry in place. The HOPE of Passive Income was alluring.. and that hope made for motivated game play. Along the way I saw different areas of space and learned about Criminal tags etc.. other depth to the environment.

Its not like its the #1 super neeatess neat part of the game.. but it is something that exists already and works ok and is different from other parts of the game and makes NPC standings relevant in a different way (nice to BUILD on NPC stuff, not dismantle whats in place and replace instead of adding).

So Tldr its not broken, its not passive.. it doesn't need much fixing unless its part of something really bitching.

Under this Charters should be going down

Except you probably did earn a bit of effortless money from these characters, so that training time has probably paid for itself many times over.

I'm late to the passive ISK research game, so actually my training time hasn't paid for itself. Shrug. The game changes, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. It's like speculation on any market.

And we don't know enough about the details of the new system to know if anyone has actually "lost" yet. You may still be able to do something profitable with your research skills, it will probably just be less passive than cashing in datacores.


Is that really a bad thing? You didn't have to do anything for this money except visit your research agents every couple of months. There was no gameplay involved. This broken mechanic could be replaced by CCP just topping everyone's wallet by 100MISK/month, it's about the same thing. Is having to play the game to earn ISK really such a bad idea?


"You've nerfed the most boring mechanic in game so I'm going to get my revenge by bullheadedly focusing on the most boring alternative I can think of." Have fun with that. Loss to Eve = zero.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind a R&D system that rewarded active playing higher than inactive accumulation. The current mechanic around this requires you to actually go to the agents location and do a mission, which will reward you with an extra days worth of research points.

My average R&D agents are about 20 jumps from eachother, so I'd have to travel 20 jumps to do a mission that pays out between 200k and 400k ISK worth of datacores. Nobody will do this.

If instead they made a mechanic like the one in PI, where you can access your planet from anywhere, it would be more feasible to actively work on your R&D characters. It wouldn't be hard to do, just some small interface that required some user input once pr. day to accelerate the research or prevent it from slowing down, like the readjustment of harvesting cycles on planets.

Hell, the problem with this FW idea is not that R&D agents are being nerfed. If they reduced the income by 50% I would still be running them... it'd take twice as long to get a return on investment, but I'm in this for the long haul. No, the problem is that instead of fixing the mechanic or coming up with some new content that can make it a more active endeavor, CCP just dumps it on FW and in the process screw over all the people who trained for R&D.

And frankly it's indicative of a strange new process going on at CCP. Rearranging content is not new content. The game was working fine with the old module names, the current skill training requirements for destroyers and battlecruisers and datacore mining. I could think of some actual broken stuff that might benefit from the resources put into cosmetics and needless rearrangement.