EVE General Discussion

Your ignorance just oozes out of your replies.

No effort steady income?

So the time and Isk invested to even get it started was no effort.
Once you actually have everything sorted out you still have the very long jumps to collect those cores and then more jumps to put them on a market. Yes still no effort.
By the way, you will have to train blockade runner too or outsource the transport of the datacores because opposite to null sec you can't see who might be trying to (suicide) gank you while you carry some Isk worth of datacores.

The whole shift of datacores to FW is a stupid idea and you are just too butthurt to agree to it because it might upset your batphone buddy.

You already get only 50% of the RP you would get daily if you were to do the daily mission for the agent. Just too bad that if you want to have any shot at some usefull RP and datacores you are already forced to use agents which are often 20 or more jumps apart.
That might not be an issue for the null sec jumpbridge dwellers but it does take away a lot of gametime from regular players.
But you don't give a damn about that. Why would you. it's not a part of the game you care about.

This is one reason why it's one of the best things you and your kind should stay out of the CSM and game design.
You lack the broader vision and only trample narrowminded through it all and disregarding all which isn't up your ally.

It is barely an income but the bitterness from those who wish to get it nerfed is far more present than those who wish to keep it as it is.
But I understand the oversight in that because it doesn't fit the concept of risk versus reward EVE loves to propoganda about.

Skills, standings and everything appears magicly by the wave of a wand and the collecting and transport of datacores is done by EVE mail so it's instantanious.

Not as hard as everything else in EVE.

And since nobody else can do the same we have to nerf it.
Or is it because they can't be bothered to do the same but instead want it tied to their pew pew habbits instead.

God, now do something you don't like to do but you do it anyways because of the reward it might bring you in the future.
Nah, we just wanna do what we love to do and heck, let's add something else we can get from it and screw those others.

The level of ignorance in EVE is slowly but steadily rising to a point where we can safely say that there never was a sandbox but only a smokescreen guided tour.

I have a couple of datacore agents working for me in the background. Every few months, I make 20-30 jumps, gather up the cores, and sell them for a half billion ISK.

It's not zero effort - but close enough, and pretty good pay for a courier contract.


Why is training ships regarded as odious extra work? Everything you do in the game requires training, but nothing else in the game gives a guaranteed payout every month like a dole cheque.

The only redeeming feature of the system is that some of the best R&D agents were placed in low sec, so you actually do have to make a couple of risky jumps to get the datacores to safety. But a blockade runner makes that job easy as well.

Passive Income dwarfed by technetium Moons.

Just thankfully your ignorance no longer debases the CSM.

Want me to link every single insult you threw at people out there?

Has anyone yet said that having one, single and lazy form of farming might not be a bad idea?

Having one form of lazy ISK-farming is good, because it adds diversity to a game. It is still only a game. It allows to have a single ISK-farming feature, which requires no attention at all while it is still in control by CCP. Taking away this mechanic will likely only create a few more botters, because some players will continue to feel a need to make easy ISKs and will go for alternatives.

I did grind several NPC research corps to get access to their L4 research agents. I will still be able to profit from my grinding, because these corps offer blueprints of some of the faction modules, which can only be found at their LP stores (i.e. a 5-run blueprint copy of Fed. Navy magnetic field stabilizers). So my standings with them will not suddenly become useless.

Anyhow, just a thought, but I will not care much either way.

Also on a note, I can appreciate the easy things in life, too, and do not have a stick up my arse about everything that is lazy. I yet have to see a man say he does not like a BJ, because it is lazy...

Not entirely true. I have a character that does level 4 missions for Sisters of EVE. The furthest he has to move away from Osmon to do his mission is 2 jumps. The furthest I have to move to sell my LP store rewards is 6 the jumps to Jita.

Comparatively, when I go to my R&D toon to collect datacores, I have around 90 jumps to cover before they're all collected and placed on the market, for each character. That's 360 jumps in total for all my R&D characters. Each jump takes about a minute, so in game time I have to play 6 hours of active, non-afk, non-stop hauling to collect all my datacores. That CANNOT be classified as a passive activity.

Here's the kicker. If I do this once pr. month, I gain around 90m worth of ISK for each character, which is 360m total for 6 hours worth of active playing.

If I spend the same time doing lvl 4 missions I earn around 30m in bounties, 10m in loot+salvage (by outsourcing to ProSynergy) and another 15-20m in loyalty points, which amounts to a total of 55-60m pr. hour or 330-360m for 6 hours.

So to be honest, even in the old system I might as well just have spent those 6 hours doing missions, at least they're slightly more interesting than hauling. In the new system the datacore generation has been halved to 45m and there's a 10k fee pr. datacore, so more like a profit of 40m, pr. character. For four characters I can now earn spend 6 hours hauling to collect 160m worth of datacores, which means that if I collect the datacores on a monthly basis I would actually only earn half as much by doing so compared to spending the same time running missions.

And please note, this calculation doesn't even take into account the time you have to spend on the market to adjust sell orders that are being undercut by 0.01 ISK every 5 minutes.

So in the new system the only way to make DC farming in any way profitable is to collect the cores after at least two months worth of research, which in turn makes it fairly impossible to adapt to new trends in the market and adjust research to get the best priced cores. The bottom line of all this is that the market will be skewed towards some cores, that will then be filled by the FW people, who use their FW LP to buy the best priced cores, and the majority of the proceeds in the R&D career have now moved to pew pew pilots in low-sec.

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Also, isn't it interesting that this change will then result in people collecting their datacores less frequently, in essence making the whole thing even more passive than it was before? Talk about failing to accomplish what you set out to do...

Sorry, but crosslinking isn't allowed, but people can easy find themselves all the crapposts you made.
Wouldn't want to give you the temptation to do a quick hop on the batphone to get me forumbanned.

The whole datacore debacle boils down to one simple thing.

Where in the passt EVE was a game of own choises and consequences it more and more leads to others making the choices for you by making on choice you made in the passt as unattractive as possible.
This only makes me firmly believe that the sandbox they promoted over the years has been broken and polluted over and over again.

As soon as Soundwave introduces nerfs into a game like this they clearly state that the part people played in the passt doesn't fit in their sandbox concept and they just rearrange the sandbox to their likings.

Ofcourse you have to defend him Vile, because let's face it. Even if he actually is a former Goon. Once a Goon always a Goon, right.
Brosefs for brosefs.

Ah yes. an Internal Affairs investigating their own people.

CCP has a good trackrecord for being trustworthy in that department.

T20. mainly a cover up till the **** hit the fan so darn hard the lid got blown off.
Hillmars famous e-mail. Long term silence and then a simple "sorry". But more "sorry I got caught" then "sorry for being an idiot"

20% lay off of employees but not the one really responcible for the whole mess.

No you are absolutely right. I can trust CCP they double my money if I send them any amount.

You kinda glossed over the TWO FREAKING MONTHS it takes to get the rank 8 skill to level 5 that does one thing and one thing only. Allows for one research agent per level. Then you left out the other FEW MONTHS to train up a couple of the base skills to 5 so that your agents are actually producing stuff at a decent rate.

Now, Mal, want to try again? But see if you can use all the facts this time. Not just the ones that suit your broken argument.

Mr Epeen