EVE General Discussion

Any news on when these items are coming back yet? Not keen on this becoming 'forgotten'

Quoted for Frigging Truth.

Stop making EvE UNFUN, of making it EMPTY.

First the "door in face" at Incarna. Because giving players options sucks, eh? It worked good, amirite?

Then the deletion of those nice CONCORD fittings.
I had several. They hurted nobody, they were fun to link and to make jokes with. Did they cause glitches? Who effing cares it's not like they deleted boot.ini. We can take care. Ok I get it, adding some IFs in the code was hard and certainly worth p!ssing off players.

Then the ******** mass items renaming to cater to some unlikely sub 80 IQ new player. Unlikely as in, they won't stay in EvE with sub 80 IQ anyway, it's not like dumbing down the lore and the tastiness of the game will help them.

Finally this other "decision", because you know, adding a "cannot use" flag was hard so we have to p!ss off Entity and others and cause 10 days worth of work hours loss to the company!

WTF is wrong with you?

I had stuff I EARNED on a MISSION stolen from me by CCP. I want my stuff back, I paid for it if you think about my sub, I did the mission illegitimately, went out of my way to get more than I needed so I could collect it, and it was my assets being stolen out of my hanger by CCP. I want it all back.

Not going away...Answers...now...

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It's a game but real effort goes into acquiring stuff (and a LOT of effort went into acquiring many of the items that Greyscale flushed down the crapper). In case of ships and modules and implants and whatnot you kind of expect them to be lost soon enough for the most part, and getting ragey about it would have been stupid. But in case of you spending literally years collecting items that you didn't think would be going anywhere losing your stuff is much more frustrating. Moreover, in this SANDBOX where Collector emerged as a hobby/profession of sorts, what you have is one dev singlehandedly flushing THAT down the crapper to. Sorry guise your occupation is invalid because you were dealing with useless crap and items that are ~obviously~ only in game because of hax.

Combine it with the fact that the change went completely unannounced by the devs, and Greyscale's attitude, and you have yourself angry players because the hurt is quite real to them as they saw the results of years of effort destroyed just like that.

I wrote this a week ago & held back on posting it because it sounded like our items were going to be restored quickly. As it has instead been swept under the rug, I hope this will bring focus to what is really at issue here. Please excuse the ::WALLOFTEXT::



Collecting as a Profession.

● I had not even heard of EVE when Python mines were deployable, but I had owned several stacks.
● I never got to launch a snowball - but acquired enough to fill a Caracal's highslots.
● I only ever heard rumors of the Concord Special Ops Cruiser - but I collected the fitting & got to read all about the GM Cloaking Device, Mega Module, 'Voila' Anti-Cloaking Pulse I & Lockdown Module....

I joined EVE a year ago because it was hard, because of the Russians, because there was nothing that I was required to do. I fell into collecting because I am a history buff & all of the "illegitimate" item types – from the “TEST” modules to the “GM Ultra Mega Super Death Ray” to Buffy, Blade and Helsing Anti-Vampires – provided a peak into ideas-in-development past & present.

Many CCP employees seem to be thoughtful, funny people who would be a pleasure to a pleasure to meet at FanFest. Others can only ape accountability “Yes, this because of a thing that I did”, interest “We’re looking at our options right now”, and compassion “My player owned both blueprints, I understand your pain”.

The thing is this – EVE IS REAL™… until you do things like this. After 7+ years, can’t you see how it’s evolved? You’re DEVELOPERS… but I’m sure EVE has grown in ways that you never would have expected.

We want the junk in the database. WE LIKE THE JUNK in the database.

How cool is it to look at a Monet or a Mondrian? Some works are completely new, but many are revisions on previous ideas… How cool are sketches from Da Vinci’s notebook? Some are nothing more than doodles or rough sketches – but they let you see into the development process & are creations in their own right.

I’m not sure what projects you have worked on [you being any CCP employee reading this post] but how would you feel if someone 5 years from now was looking through the items log & found the beta module with a clever description from your pet project & said – UNUSED, marked for deletion.] Is someone going to go through and rename/delete all the Officer mods? “who are these people anyway, I’ve never heard of them – they must be junk”?

The 1000 items expunged from the database represent thousands of hours of ideas, discussions & coding - and had a specific function at the time they were created. Why they weren't deleted immediately after is unknown - but they've taken on a life of their own in the sandbox. This isn't Office Space, so Bob - you can’t just “fix the glitch”.

Please restore all items that were recently deleted. You already have attributes that can be changed to make the modules impossible to equip (slap a Polaris skill requirement on each for good measure)… add Polaris req (if you're so inclined) to the manufacturing skill requirements for all the blueprints that you removed and restore them too.

Just because many in Eve don’t appreciate this viewpoint doesn’t give you the right to kill something. Being a CCP employee & a GM does give you the power, but power doesn’t give you the right.

This whole thing has already blown up in your face – and is poised to waste a lot of your time over the next week. Instead of defending your position (at work and in the forums) – write a batch file that will add Polaris to everything you’re worried about & restore the list.

Don’t be the guy that makes changes that can’t be considered improvements.

dude, this is CCP. I don't even know if they know what they are doing every time they fiddle with the DB and server code.

Somebody sees that heap of code and says "hmm needs cleanup!" and then one day, you login and you get ponies and hello kitty ships, and then it's game over man.


game over!

LoL

Lag, and there was the incident with mines on a trade hub...