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Right now many great ships are within 30-60 days reach (I'm a brand new player), and after the rebalance I would only be able to fly my own race's ships within that period of time (if I understand correctly). Could you please advise which skills makes sense to train right now, before the rebalance, to minimize losses/get the most SP reimbursed?

I'll be honest and confess that I haven't read the entire 93 pages of this epic thread, so if I'm repeating, please forgive me!

I suppose this is more of a comment on an idea that could be added on to this to add value to the fact that you now have to train up the smaller ship to get to the bigger ship.

Why not have an accumulation of ship bonuses based on the smaller ships you have to train. For example:

training frigate gives a small % bonus to agility for all the ship sizes above it,
destroyer gives shield/armor hp bonus above
cruiser gives velocity
BC gives pg/cpu
BS gives scan res.

Basically, it gives the pilot who wants to specialize in the larger ship a reason to train the 5th level of the ships below it. I want my capital ship to have buffs for all of those things, even if it only totals to 5% or 7.5% or whatever.

It also fits into the idea that if I specialize Caldari, and know the ins and outs of every class ship, it should make me a better pilot for all of the ships.

Thats all

Ced

Racial crusier to 3 means you can fly all the battlecruisers (as long as you have battle cruiser)

So at this point, if you have destroyer 5 and BC 5, you should get all the racial variants at 5.

When the learning skill reimbursement happened, I recall someone in game say something to the effect that every change CCP makes is always to the advantage of older players while newer players get screwed.

So if CCP's solution to "if you could fly it yesterday then you can fly it tomorrow" is granting free SP, I think to be fair to players that haven't cross trained so much they should also get some skill points... perhaps enough to buy one racial destroyer and BC to at least to level 1, although I believe enough to buy to level 5 wouldn't be uncalled for. This is just in the interest of not creating a whole new class of "bitternoobs."

Training T2 variants without the racial T1 skills won't get you any freebies. In fact, since many of the T2 prerequisites are changing (T2 cruisers won't require T2 frigates for example) it's probably best you don't bother with those until after the change.

The planned changes are a nice idea, but it should have been done years ago, right after BC were put in game!
Now CCP just risk ruining more than they fix for a lot of ppl.

There are so many things to take into account....
I have nothing against getting more SP's, it might even save me some isk :)
But then I will have to spend even more isk on a new clone... and hope I remember to upgrade my clone too before I get killed the first time
The time used training some of those skills to lvl 5, and now I may not even need them all to be lvl 5 anymore

Yes, fix the ships, but I don't really see the point in making new racial skills!

To tell the truth, I'm too lazy to read over 90 pages of this thread to see if that what I want to say is here already, but seeing the last few posts I recon it wasn;t suggested.

I somewhat support the new ship tree but I cannot see the reason to destroy the current battlecruisers and destroyer non racial status. Why not leave it non-racial, so the tree for let's say Ammar would be:

Ammar Frigate -> Destroyer -> Ammar cruiser -> Battlecruiser -> Ammar Battleship -> and so on...

so to fly an Ammar Battleship you woul have to have skills:

Primary:
Battlecruisers Lv4
--primary:
--ANY cruiser skill Lv4

Secondary:
Ammar cruiser Lv4
--primary:
--Destroyers Lv4
--secondary:
--Ammar frigate Lv4

Honestly, the policy "if you can fly it you still will be" is still not fair if the skill is divided by 4. Let's take battlecruiser skill: it takes about 1.2 mil SPs to take this skill from level 4 to level 5
I just can't imagine that peaple who have BCR on 4-th lvl will have 4.8 mil SPs less that people who had it on lvl 5.

Hope CCP You will not do it so anyone will be left further bhind than other (and on this example only on 1 lvl of BCR skill it woud be nearly 5 mil SP!!)

Ok, now rumours/information are filtering in from fanfest:

The timing of the default destroyer/BC skill -> racial dessie/BC skill change might not be Inferno 1.0, but rather later patches/expansions... more like late in 2012, rather than May 22nd ... with Inferno itself tackling frigate balancing first.

Now, the timing of this change is crucial for a lot of players that are in a hurry/panic trying to get to BC V with all racial cruiser skills at level III. I know people skilling this now on an Int/Mem remap or are (considering) using one of their bonus remaps to getting it NOW.

People might get annoyed if that change then comes months later - (they might get annoyed either way, if its coming early and they didn't get it in time, etc.). Basically, people are hunting free skill points with determination, we are eve players after all.

You might confirm/refute those rumours or release some information on the timing of this change soon, as it significantly impacts people's skill queue planning already.

May or late 2012 is a big difference after all. Some rough timing (Inferno 1.0, soon after, months after) no the ship line progression change would be much appreciated.

With EVE Fanfest's notion on keeping ship balance in-check - THAT'S GREAT! However, here's a contributory perspective on the idea of Capital ships amongst their sub-ordinate scale of ships.



(SUGGESTION)

• Small, Medium and Large ships;
• and Capital ships.

Small, Medium and Large ships can be expected to play their roles and balance into each other perfectly like a jigsaw. Their roles inherently would create tactical chaos in fleet battles and co-ordination.
Capitals ships could specifically be for fleeting corporations only. Their role would be to stabilize the chaos of fleet battles and co-ordinations.

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If you read just above this, you should be vaguely imagining their renewed role.

Ok. To continue... Quite simply we'd expect Small, Medium and Large to do most of the work whereas Capitals would sit back and see the chaos of their sub-ordinates through.. This quite possibly would bring a nice refreshed appreciation for Capital Dreadnoughts, Titans and Carriers, and even a Freighter somehow-maybe. They would regulate a fleet's performance, they secure a solarsystem (with S,M,L), they intimidate the enemy, they additionally protect starbases. Mostly 'aggressive' logistical roles whereas sub-ordinate logistics would be 'defensive'.

So, any more on the timing of the BC/dessie-skill change?