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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#21 - 2012-03-21 13:59:44 UTC
Hmm its not a proper fleet unless its got t3's , rr, and caps? Silly talk

small gang is fun guys you should give it a goSmile

nom nom
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#22 - 2012-03-21 14:37:23 UTC
Lock out wrote:
You should damn well play the game like I want it played and not play it like you want it!


Fixed that for you.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#23 - 2012-03-21 15:49:16 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Problem is tho on that front pvp in eve especially in low sec is completely different to a couple of years ago. Gone are the general large roaming bs type gangs and replaced by people having alts and eyes all over the place looking for something either to drop on or counter something that they know is being formed up.


What the hell? This has been your standard operating method for years and now you seem overtly butthurt that people have grown tired of it and have their own spy alts to make sure they dont get ganked by a hellblob sitting on a titan bridge. Or that people in low-sec fly with their own link alts because most other people do it as well.

So to put it bluntly, you are not getting as many lopsided ganks or "fair fights" where one side has links and other has not. Am I right?
Corewin
Rack City Syndicate
#24 - 2012-03-21 16:03:44 UTC
Well I for one am glad this argument crap is still going on. Got a bit worried when I got back from my hiatus to find everything seemed dead...

To do list.
Log in to eve more than 4 times this year.
Small gang pvp
Achmed fleet style 30+ Battleship roams =D
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#25 - 2012-03-21 16:07:59 UTC
Did I mention we killed a PL Titan?

Keep your Plexxing medals.

Nuff said.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#26 - 2012-03-21 16:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Gallactica wrote:
Did I mention we killed a PL Titan?

Keep your Plexxing medals.

Nuff said.


And I killed a rapier with a hookbill once. But I dont think you answered my question.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#27 - 2012-03-21 16:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallactica
We are getting fights damar just not from your lot.

Your happy playing eve as has beens then good for you.

Minnie's can field awesome fleets, amar can, Gallente can and Caldari are kings of fielding plexxing fleets.

Congrats.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#28 - 2012-03-21 16:21:35 UTC
And you still didnt answer the original question. But I quess you never will, much like your side never answered for the irl threats you resorted over the "unimportant plexing", as you call it.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#29 - 2012-03-21 16:32:22 UTC
I did answer your question - we are getting fights from everyone but Caldari.

Like I said congrats for being has beens.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#30 - 2012-03-21 16:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
All the trolling aside, I have a more serious question . From what I can tell, individual Caldari corps can field decent fleets. The4, CSC, IGB, Piranha, Squids, Templis Dragonaor alliance to name a few. Is there any reason why more of these corps don't work together? Is there just too much bad blood? Egos?

My understanding of recent Gal/Cal FW history is that Wolfsbrigade was the top pvp corps for the squids. Practically every faction has a few corps that act as "anchors" for the militia and others tend to fall in line and rally with them. So when Wolf left to go Amarr, there was no one that could rally the troops? Is it possible that there isn't an anchoring corps that have diplomatic relations with the other mid tier corps to created a more united front?

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#31 - 2012-03-21 16:38:45 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Did I mention we killed a PL Titan? Keep your Plexxing medals. Nuff said.
Oh no he didn't just pull the Titan card did he?!! /thread. Big smile

No wait. It's kind of ridiculous of G789 to hammer on a bunch of younger players (Caldari Militia) because their veterans all moved to Kamela. But it was an (unexpectedly) good troll. 7/10.
Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-03-21 16:40:01 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
We are getting fights damar just not from your lot.

Your happy playing eve as has beens then good for you.

Minnie's can field awesome fleets, amar can, Gallente can and Caldari are kings of fielding plexxing fleets.

Congrats.



Well since FW is all about plexing I really dont see WTF your point is.
You dont walk into a chinese take away and expect beans on toast to be on the menue.

If flying around in large fleets of heavy ships is what you really want to do then why are you pissing around in FW anyway?
Take your fleets and play with some of the big boys im sure your get all the fights you want.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#33 - 2012-03-21 16:41:10 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Like I said congrats for being has beens.


So correct me if i'm wrong, you think that everyone not playing eve how YOU want them to play should immediately cancel their subscription and not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#34 - 2012-03-21 16:44:43 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
Well since FW is all about plexing I really dont see WTF your point is.

FW is not all about plexing. Never has been. Plexing is one-third of the FW game.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#35 - 2012-03-21 16:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
X Gallentius wrote:
Chav Queen wrote:
Well since FW is all about plexing I really dont see WTF your point is.

FW is not all about plexing. Never has been. Plexing is one-third of the FW game.


Wrong. FW is:

5% plexing
2% pvp (only counting actual pvp where other side has a chance)
13% forum trolling
80% isk farming
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#36 - 2012-03-21 17:07:53 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
We are getting fights damar just not from your lot.

Your happy playing eve as has beens then good for you.

Minnie's can field awesome fleets, amar can, Gallente can and Caldari are kings of fielding plexxing fleets.

Congrats.



Well since FW is all about plexing I really dont see WTF your point is.
You dont walk into a chinese take away and expect beans on toast to be on the menue.

If flying around in large fleets of heavy ships is what you really want to do then why are you pissing around in FW anyway?
Take your fleets and play with some of the big boys im sure your get all the fights you want.


FW is definitely not all about plexing. It's about flexibility...to do as you want and how you want it.

What most people don't understand is that many pvp corps like SOTF have graduated from simple T1 BC gangs to bigger T3 cruiser gangs with occasional cap fights. It is inevitable that that happens. So it's silly for people to demand a T3 gang to ship down to a T1 gang. Conversely, it's silly for a T3 gang to demand that a corp who can only fly T1 to ship up.

FW has always been about what you want to do and how you want to do it. Freedom. Agruments stating absolutes that is contrary to this is fail. That is why SOTF has stayed; for the freedom. I imagine?

If Inferno comes close to helping FW realize its potential, I know more individuals and corps will consider joining FW because it offers them the freedom to interpret this part of of the sandbox in whichever way they want.

PS- 789 did put out good trollbait with this thread. Far better than what he puts out in Gal Mil :)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#37 - 2012-03-21 17:11:14 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
Like I said congrats for being has beens.


So correct me if i'm wrong, you think that everyone not playing eve how YOU want them to play should immediately cancel their subscription and not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out?


People are playing how we want to play just unfortunate Caldari don't have the option to do it even if you wanted to, that's by point.

Every other faction can compete apart from Caldari.
Corewin
Rack City Syndicate
#38 - 2012-03-21 17:11:22 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Chav Queen wrote:
Well since FW is all about plexing I really dont see WTF your point is.

FW is not all about plexing. Never has been. Plexing is one-third of the FW game.


I agree. Even if it isn't the flavor of this current Caldari Militia iteration, large fleets have been the staple of our side from the very beginning. The lack of an open dialog between corporations may be a contributing factor to the disinterest in larger Militia based fleets. Between Gavin and myself, the real trick was to get the overall Militia excited about a daily fleet OP, kills or no kills, people could count on the fact it would be a fun and learning experience.

Plex is alive and well in CalMil, but turning things around on the fleet side of things shouldn't be too large an undertaking. Give it a little time.
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#39 - 2012-03-21 17:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Capitol One
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
Like I said congrats for being has beens.


So correct me if i'm wrong, you think that everyone not playing eve how YOU want them to play should immediately cancel their subscription and not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out?


Methinks you're putting words in Gallactica's mouth Damar, no offense.

The way I see it, is that FW is a mix of all kinds of Pew. You have your small minor plex fights, cruiser brawls, then there are all sorts of BC fights (shield/nano, armor, logi/no logi), big fleets/small fleets, and then finally you have your BS vs BS fights, logi/caps all in the mix.

What I believe (and I might have this wrong) is that Gallactica thinks Caldari is (atm) stuck on only a small part of what FW is, and is having trouble providing the big ships/guns necessary for bigger engagements.
That's completely understandable, considering Caldari is rebuilding and has a lot higher ratio of new players vs vets (I assume), however while that means you do a lot more small gang plex warfare than say, Gallactica does, it doesn't mean his preference for bigger engagements is any less valid than your preference for plex fights.

And then you smack him for not fighting your drakes in Plex a,b,c and he smacks you for not fighting his [Insert pvp Fleet here], etc, etc, everyone smacking everyone right, left and center.

What I think everyone wants is for caldari militia to get big and strong again, so it can fight whatever gang/blob might come their way. Only when the playing field is ~even~ does it start to get interesting.

I remember fondly back when I was in Caldari militia, one day we would trash a gallente gang, only to get welped the day after. Then on the third we'd join forces to surprise buttsekz some local pirates, only to go deathorize each others ships an hour later.

FW is FW is FW. There will always be drama, and blobs, and smack, but in the end it's something really special and man do I love it.

-- Cap

Ps. Fanfest tomorrow woot! :D
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#40 - 2012-03-21 17:17:46 UTC
Perfectly summed up Capitol.