Ships & Modules

Let's look at this a different way:



Some players prioritize cross training across classes - from frigate to cruiser to ballteship to capital - to gain the versatility of being able to use different ship sizes. Other players focus more on cross training across races to gain the versatility of the different racial specialities. Many do a sort of compromise, racing to battlecruisers or battleships before starting to cross train to add racial versatility. Eventually if you keep on training you'll do both kinds of cross training to their logical conclusion and be able to fly "everything".

All we're really doing is arguing about the route to the final destination. It's not obvious to me that specialising in cross-training races should get a special bonus that specialising in cross training classes doesn't, any more than going 100 yards north then 100 yards west should lead you to a different destination or take less time than going 100 yards west then 100 yards north.

But it's only an issue for you, because you're literally the only person who thinks it confers higher advantages. Once a character is at battlecruiser 4/T2 medium guns level, then the advantages of spending the next 3M SP on training another frigate 5 + cruiser 5 + small turret 5 + med turret 5 are so much better than spending 3M SP training battleship 5 + large turret 5 that it's almost unbalanced.

I'll readily concede that it's a good idea for a brand new player to get to battlecruisers quickly, purely because they're the optimal ISK making platform if you don't have many SP. After that, I - along with literally everyone else in this thread - am 100% in favour of cross racial specialisation.

Sure it does, since it means you do not only get what you train, but also get more for what you've already trained.

…which is what I responded to and what you keep on missing: you already get more for this crosstraining than for training something else. I can only venture to guess that your problem lies in your unfamiliarity of the EVE skill system and you inability to separate “more” from “better”. Each has its own set of advantages and costs — deciding between the two is what makes the system work (and be great).

And you're the only one thinking that this is what you get. Again: you do not just get what you train, but more for what you've already trained. You get your baseline and added value. You get something that is useful and improve the usefulness of what you already have. If this is not enough for you, nothing ever will be.

Fun fact: that's how the rest of use perceive you at this point.

…except, of course, that I addressed that: it's not just as good as — it's better. Just because you don't agree with this doesn't mean we're missing it. It means we're rejecting your claim because it's rather silly. Cross-training always gives you more than just what you train for, by inevitable and unavoidable design.

Crosstraining after the 3rd race means you open up a completely different set of ships offering you a completely different set of abilities and thus increasing the usefulness of your already-trained skills. As for holding on to prejudices, it seems the only one with any of those around here are you, since you reject out of hand what people are telling you and then claim that everyone is missing the point you're making when they do, in fact, very explicitly address that point.

It adds immensely to your Marauders skill. That Kronos is appalling against laser-based (and consequently laser-weak) enemies, which the Paladin will nuke by just sneezing at. Congratulations, you now have (more than) doubled the rats you can go up aginst with high efficiency — from Serp and Guristas to Serp, Guristas, Blood Raiders, Sansha and Drones.

…aside from getting the Nightmare, which is death on four wheels fiftyeleven spikes and outperforms the Pally; the Vindicator, which outperforms the silly Kronos; making you completely nerf-proof as far as intra-BS balancing is concerned; on top of “just” getting access to two of the best Missile platforms in the game.. A whole lot more than zero.

Seeing as how I can already fly all four races and see the distinct advantage each additional race brought to my skill set, I doubt it. Maybe when you've done the same, you'll notice it too. So no, how about you come back in 3–4 years instead?

Each class (be it ship or module) has a finite amount of SP to invest into after which there's not improvement to be had via SP. Only practical application of those SP grows. Also the rule of diminishing returns holds true for more than just skill levels as you noticed.

What happens if your suggestion is implemented and you ran all the way to the end of your new rabbit hole ?

Wait a minute....

People are still dumb enough not to train Winmatar?

Do you need a ******* Dev Blog that says "HEY GUYS, WE WANT EVERYONE TO FLY MINMATAR"? The last 6 odd years should have been clue enough.

Woah, I could've sworn OP finally acknowledged that he was wrong and that this thread could be wrapped up.

Transracial crosstraining.??

This is chicks with dicks right???

Regarding the previous post,

Considering he is referring to us all as being so 'cemented' in our ways in a derogatory fashion and is completely unironic, I would say tremendous troll.

Tremendous idiot works fine, too.