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The titan nerf isnt rly a nerf
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Caldari Citizen20110707
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-14 17:11:04 UTC
check your math ccp.. they still can track battleship and applying 4000 dps to any battleship after this new change. Against drakes 400-600 dps.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-14 17:30:17 UTC
Show us your math.

Dodixie > Hek
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-03-14 17:48:55 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Show us your math.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-14 17:51:56 UTC
It's a nerf. It just doesn't solve the problem.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-14 17:56:45 UTC
I dont think the problem was that they 'could' track battleships, it was that they could track anything at all. Destroying Battleships, slowly, isnt that much of an issue and tbh pretty much to eb expected.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-14 17:56:55 UTC
I have no experienced of this in practice, but five minutes' EFT-warrioring shows a Tobias-web, dual FN TC Avatar with Strong Drop still able to easily apply several thousand DPS to a full-transversal BS from 10-80 km.

That suggests that once a Titan has finally locked a BS (5 mm scan res lol), it'll be blapping time again. What?
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-16 16:46:36 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
I have no experienced of this in practice, but five minutes' EFT-warrioring shows a Tobias-web, dual FN TC Avatar with Strong Drop still able to easily apply several thousand DPS to a full-transversal BS from 10-80 km.

That suggests that once a Titan has finally locked a BS (5 mm scan res lol), it'll be blapping time again. What?


But it can no longer instablap a cruiser or battlecruiser - nor can it blap 5 ships in five cycles. It can only blap three at most, and that's if it hits all of them. THEN it has to relock.

Dodixie > Hek
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-16 17:08:41 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
I have no experienced of this in practice, but five minutes' EFT-warrioring shows a Tobias-web, dual FN TC Avatar with Strong Drop still able to easily apply several thousand DPS to a full-transversal BS from 10-80 km.

That suggests that once a Titan has finally locked a BS (5 mm scan res lol), it'll be blapping time again. What?


But it can no longer instablap a cruiser or battlecruiser - nor can it blap 5 ships in five cycles. It can only blap three at most, and that's if it hits all of them. THEN it has to relock.

Thats assuming idiots keep bringing small ships to a cap fight. Anyway...

Titan 1: Locks targets 1-3
Titan 2: Locks targets 4-6
Titan 3: Locks targets 7-9
Titan 4: Locks targets 10-12
Titan 5: Locks targets 13-15
- - - - -
Titan 32 : Locks X-Z <-- Means large numbers of titans still comming out.

Yeah, just have to call and practice not targeting the same ship. Still works at half the effectiveness, I am thinking there will still be more raging and further calls to just nerf the feck out of titans, but god knows its the idiots that kept stupidly using crappy ships that was the problem as they didn't bother training for a cap ship, didn't bother to be in alliance with cap ships, and they just kept on charging at something they couldn't handle.

Really, using large ships to pop smaller ships while sacrifcing huge amounts of tanks is "meta-gaming a sandbox" anyway you can (means being creative, which is what EVE is about...making the game yours) and CCP took that away from titan pilots. I see it as whiney losers as the problem, to afraid to bother risking a Titan they won't bother to aquire and the loss they may experience, who stupidly assumed their smaller cheaper ****** ships in huge blobs would win the day yet the Titan Alliances refined the blob tactic by cutting the number of smaller ships and increasing the number of bigger ships (force multiplier). HELLO! Modern armies do the same, we don't storm beaches anymore so I can't understand why being inventive and comming up with a better plan then the standard BLOB vs BLOB vs BLOB dirty nasty group action will always work (until someone came up with the titan blob and suddenly...its not fair? whats fair about EVE ? Straight )
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2012-03-16 17:13:29 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
But it can no longer instablap a cruiser or battlecruiser - nor can it blap 5 ships in five cycles. It can only blap three at most, and that's if it hits all of them. THEN it has to relock.

So cycle length are you using here?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-16 17:18:44 UTC
Yeah...this required it's own thread instead of going in the one specifically talking about the Titan nerf already.

Bad math is bad.

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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#11 - 2012-03-16 17:39:16 UTC
Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:
check your math ccp.. they still can track battleship and applying 4000 dps to any battleship after this new change. Against drakes 400-600 dps.


Tracking Nerf + Scan res nerf + Lock nerf. Yea, it's a nerf. A carrier could align and warp before a Titan gets a lock on it after this.. "balance".

And lets not pretend. This "balance" was done so we would play with the dust bunnies. Who was going to siege a dread when we all knew super cap fleets were out there? Pre Dominion Sov, bankrupted high Sec PI taxation, Titan nerfs. EVE is really taking it on the chin for a bunch of free to play GI Joe's.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-16 18:29:27 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
I have no experienced of this in practice, but five minutes' EFT-warrioring shows a Tobias-web, dual FN TC Avatar with Strong Drop still able to easily apply several thousand DPS to a full-transversal BS from 10-80 km.

That suggests that once a Titan has finally locked a BS (5 mm scan res lol), it'll be blapping time again. What?


But it can no longer instablap a cruiser or battlecruiser - nor can it blap 5 ships in five cycles. It can only blap three at most, and that's if it hits all of them. THEN it has to relock.

Thats assuming idiots keep bringing small ships to a cap fight. Anyway...

Titan 1: Locks targets 1-3
Titan 2: Locks targets 4-6
Titan 3: Locks targets 7-9
Titan 4: Locks targets 10-12
Titan 5: Locks targets 13-15
- - - - -
Titan 32 : Locks X-Z <-- Means large numbers of titans still comming out.

Yeah, just have to call and practice not targeting the same ship. Still works at half the effectiveness, I am thinking there will still be more raging and further calls to just nerf the feck out of titans, but god knows its the idiots that kept stupidly using crappy ships that was the problem as they didn't bother training for a cap ship, didn't bother to be in alliance with cap ships, and they just kept on charging at something they couldn't handle.

Really, using large ships to pop smaller ships while sacrifcing huge amounts of tanks is "meta-gaming a sandbox" anyway you can (means being creative, which is what EVE is about...making the game yours) and CCP took that away from titan pilots. I see it as whiney losers as the problem, to afraid to bother risking a Titan they won't bother to aquire and the loss they may experience, who stupidly assumed their smaller cheaper ****** ships in huge blobs would win the day yet the Titan Alliances refined the blob tactic by cutting the number of smaller ships and increasing the number of bigger ships (force multiplier). HELLO! Modern armies do the same, we don't storm beaches anymore so I can't understand why being inventive and comming up with a better plan then the standard BLOB vs BLOB vs BLOB dirty nasty group action will always work (until someone came up with the titan blob and suddenly...its not fair? whats fair about EVE ? Straight )


If Titans and Supercaps are given by the alliance once the char trained I guess I'll train and apply. mmmmmm...noes?
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-16 19:13:50 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
eeleeeet peeveepee titans :hurr:


NPC alts loooooooooooooooooool
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#14 - 2012-03-16 19:21:11 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
I have no experienced of this in practice, but five minutes' EFT-warrioring shows a Tobias-web, dual FN TC Avatar with Strong Drop still able to easily apply several thousand DPS to a full-transversal BS from 10-80 km.

That suggests that once a Titan has finally locked a BS (5 mm scan res lol), it'll be blapping time again. What?

Wasting a Tobias web on a blobtarded Titan? Meh. That's heresy!

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Stella SGP
#15 - 2012-03-16 20:28:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Stella SGP
Aqriue wrote:
Thats assuming idiots keep bringing small ships to a cap fight. Anyway...

Titan 1: Locks targets 1-3
Titan 2: Locks targets 4-6
Titan 3: Locks targets 7-9
Titan 4: Locks targets 10-12
Titan 5: Locks targets 13-15
- - - - -
Titan 32 : Locks X-Z <-- Means large numbers of titans still comming out.

Yeah, just have to call and practice not targeting the same ship. Still works at half the effectiveness, I am thinking there will still be more raging and further calls to just nerf the feck out of titans, but god knows its the idiots that kept stupidly using crappy ships that was the problem as they didn't bother training for a cap ship, didn't bother to be in alliance with cap ships, and they just kept on charging at something they couldn't handle.

Really, using large ships to pop smaller ships while sacrifcing huge amounts of tanks is "meta-gaming a sandbox" anyway you can (means being creative, which is what EVE is about...making the game yours) and CCP took that away from titan pilots. I see it as whiney losers as the problem, to afraid to bother risking a Titan they won't bother to aquire and the loss they may experience, who stupidly assumed their smaller cheaper ****** ships in huge blobs would win the day yet the Titan Alliances refined the blob tactic by cutting the number of smaller ships and increasing the number of bigger ships (force multiplier). HELLO! Modern armies do the same, we don't storm beaches anymore so I can't understand why being inventive and comming up with a better plan then the standard BLOB vs BLOB vs BLOB dirty nasty group action will always work (until someone came up with the titan blob and suddenly...its not fair? whats fair about EVE ? Straight )

Problem with the forums these days... way too many forum alts talking trash.

Next you're going to say that using Tornados for suicide ganking is an "Innovative" use of the ship? LOL. There is nothing creative about Titan blobbing. Its natural progression, get into as many of the biggest ships you can get and blot out the sun.
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
#16 - 2012-03-16 20:42:20 UTC
A wild noob question appears! -what nerf? Something on Sisi or something?

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ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#17 - 2012-03-16 23:28:38 UTC
This one: Incoming titan adjustments

Another random question: Auto Targeting System II
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