Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When I said game mechanics I was talking in terms of general game mechanics, not existing ones. The aim should always be to create a system that encourages fun game play. Being able to track your success with even a remote degree of accuracy is fun, denying a kill mail by cleverly escaping a gang, avoiding them or fighting your way free is fun.

Fail hot dropping some supers, and then avoiding a loss mail by self destructing all of them, is not fun for either side.

Well when you are done all the evidence left that it ever happened is a kill mail, so yes, I suppose.

Would you go on the counterstrike forums and suggest they remove kdrs? No? So why are you so against them in pvp in eve?

Actually in counter strike (and most other FPS games) if you shoot someone, and they fall off a ledge, you get a kill :) But yeah, KDR = kill to death ratio, so removing scores.

So essentially you're ok with kill mails, but you think we should only get them in fights that last under two minutes? And I presume you've done the maths on how many ships it takes to kill a few spider tanking supers? And you still think that's good game design? Hell, have you ever even been in a small fight? Have you ever PvP'd at all?

The point is, people ***** because they have super capitals dropped on them, and they have no ******* hope of getting their ships out, killing any of us or putting up a fight. Then they fight to protect self destructs, so even if we're just on a nano roam we have to have a titan bridge and super capitals on stand by "just in case" we catch a carrier.

I don't enjoy having to drop supers on ratters, there's no "gf" in it, it's just stupid. Similarly, I don't enjoy fleet fights where suddenly half the enemy fleet vanish. Judging from the number of threads on the issue, the almost unanimous CSM vote in it's favor and the CCP dev's comment to the same effect it's a feeling the majority of Eve's PvP community shares.

Since when EVE is a FPS? Anyway, if he kills himself while you are shooting at your opponent you dont get a kill either. And afaik a loss mail is still generated through SD, but Im not sure about that 'cause I never started SD.

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Ok, there is no mail for SD. But wayne.

And I think it's impossible to kill a super fleet in under 2 minutes, you might think differently but you're wrong.

You might think giant blobs are the only way to PvP, and that CCP should encourage this behavior and punish players in smaller gangs, but some of us enjoy fights that actually involve some degree of skill.

But anyway, maybe since you think killing supers and carriers is so easy perhaps you'd like to post on your main, because I'm sure you have plenty of evidence to support the fact that you've ever even been in these kinds of fights? Because at the moment I strongly suspect you are just a high sec mission runner or indie toon, with no PvP experience.


It isn't, but PvP games keep track of kills/deaths no matter what type of game it is.

Actually, implementing KDR in EvE would be a good change (mine on this toon would stink, but that's another story).

Especially if the formula gave proportional credit based on %damage dealt and ship class.

Killer/Achiever metatype.

Just accept that they do, and that others take great pleasure in being able to deliver a matching buzzkill.

it is my main ffs.

I cant remember seeing any super SDing because all of them died pretty quick.
But I remember a carrier pulling that button once, its sad if one has no balls to die properly but whatever, didnt bother me much.

If you see supers SDing then its a good thing for us regardless of KM or not. I said 'lol' related to your "fleet of SDing supers", in that case the smackstorm would be worth more than a dozen of super KMs.
But yeah, as we are chatting about that, who SDed his super fleet when FAIL was around?

Every time I see one of these stupid threads I become more convinced that the real solution is to remove killmails from Eve entirely.

Actually, if you see a super fleet dieing in under 3 minutes assuming a discrepancy as the order is given and everyone activates it...you were doing something right. The thing is, they know they were losing and you want those killmails...so they denied them. Its the value that you want and its a "hah, screw you guys" from them which is just as much as "hah, we win so screw you guys...F*CK! They started SD" from you (but, at lead you don't have to drag out the battle) 1 to 1, you want something they thought they were getting but you counter it...and they now know the other thing you want.

On the same thought, if you want a killmail you can gank a hulk because they die in 15 seconds or less...which is why I bring it up a lot. Hulks die regardless of what you do 99% of the time for the driver (very little is needed, add 1 destroyer or an extra damage mod...guys are not discouraged by the insurance change but the hulk drivers suffer because of how weak the damn ship is and T2 salvage is still worth enough to cover losses), which is why I belive they need a buff at the same time if you desire a killmail change. I would have less reason to fight a self destruct change, so long as the weakest link in the damn game is given the chance.

And for anti-caps, I still belive smaller vessels with limited super cap weapons (like a frig that fires 3 Citadel torps then is empty, no cov-ops cloak or a cruiser with a few dozen cap torps) is better alternative, because its pro-active to get you to train for capital class weapons instead of whiney moaning that your rifter fleet should be able to take the death star since it worked in a movie. A dozen of those ships will still put the hurt on cap ship, larger blobs will still hurt even more against a cap and you don't need to have capital class ships to fire capital class weapons since if you prefer to fly smaller ships, just give them limited ability to put on the hurt . If that is not enough, so long as you are doing capital class damage (the more DPS you should bring) to a capital you can extend the timer a bit to 4 minutes and if it goes poof after that...while having the ability to put out capital class damage then you fail and still do not deserve a KM.