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I don't even own any rare (discontinued?) items and this still seems like a terrible change.



This is a good idea, but they can't hand them out every time... then they wouldn't be rare any more.

Frankly, this read like a horror story from a 1990s internet startup operated out of the basement of someone's mom's place.

http://xkcd.com/705/

No, but Entity and others have so much ISK they could buy up every plex on the market for an extended period of time.
Sure, market forces would naturally drive the prices down again, but can you imagine the hue and cry if people wake up tomorrow and Plexes are suddenly 600 or 700 M each?

Another epic fail.


Give me my print back and do some testing next time before you go live with this ****....

You should make a dev blog about this.
1) List all items that were removed from the DB
2) Evemail ALL players who had such items deleted.
3) EMAIL ALL players who have an offline account to say you deleted their stuff.
4) Look on the Test_Server or other server mirrors for blueprint info (even if it takes you 10 days to do it by hand) (the fact that a dev doesnt even know he can do this is shocking and shows why they shouldnt be allowed to delete stuff).
5) Kiss some serious ....

In the past names of items have been changed too. So just because something says "UNUSED" doesnt mean it wasnt once in game. I have an item that has changed Name, Type, and Graphic ID SEVERAL times. By your logic I shouldnt have it because when It is not the "thing" I acquired. A lot of new players will not know what the Jovian parts are for either, are you going to remove those too?.. It also means that if something today got renamed to "Unused" that someone would have the moronic idea to delete it some time in the future.

If there is some HUGE REASON to remove something then talk to the owners (I doubt there's many).. I bet some would be more than happy for you to make some things non-functioning or even add some other odd change to keep them in game.

Deleting stuff that players owned was just down and out stupid. If you screw up and need to remove something, don't wait 8 years to go about fixing it. And as said, It's likely that the people deleting this stuff has no idea why some of it was in game or if it ever played a role at all in the game.

I can only imagine how much entity or someone would have paid for that enigma if ccp had let those guys keep it. Its not like anyone can fly the damn thing so its uber stats aren't gonna break the game.

I've gained a lot of joy out of seeing the fittings of things like the CONCORD Swat Cruiser with the Mega Droner, Miner-China, the CONCORD battleship, the Jovian ships (and their fits), etc....

As I look - all but four of those fits have now been *poofed*... the Cockroach, Enigma, Eidolon & Visitant are still listed - and each of those fits have been changed to very boring T1/T2 items.... (on the plus side, this means attacking the audience of Jovian ships at the next Alliance Tournament might net some fantastic killmails)... I always imagined those ships & their fits were on the server as it's what the devs flew around in during downtime...

Seriously CCP, it's bad enough that you took stuff out of my hangar & didn't make any attempt to list it in the Patch Notes (DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT) - but you took absolutely HARMLESS fits out of my fitting management that I could laugh with n00bs and corpmates alike in looking at the ridiculous attributes of those TEST items.... what was the harm in that (or the benefit of removing them.... they could not have impacted server load).


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While I wait, I guess I'll just spam Jita with some ASCII and a link to this thread.
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To be honest, I really think CCP was changing his course after Crucible, but I am in doubt right now.
The real problem here it not the unintentional delete of items, but the TRUE desire to take items from player hands.
These items, if should be at player hand or not, was not acquired by cheat / bot / or other non approved mechanism. They were acquired by normal game play, and so, MUST stay with players.
It is like the recent enigma ship. Players get it by normal approved tranquillity game play. And so on the enigma should belong to the player, and not be removed and changed by plex (or anything else). If the enigma was drop by a lousy / careless CCP guy, I do not care. Fire him, but not change tranquillity.
If something went wrong and when CCP find it, and there was NO player interaction, I am fine if CCP do whatever they want to do. BUT if there was a minimum interaction by player, nothing must change.

That is the real treat about what in going on, the CCP vision: Let take everything that should not be at player hand (without warning) and tell player to deal with it...

"We're changing it so deal with it", exactly the attitude i subscribe for

Dear CCP Greyscale

Before everything, please do not take me personal.
That said, fitting problem with the non-existent items is a poorly excuse to remove the itens. Simply unfit the item, let it at player hangar. If he fit it and his fitting windows crash, he will know the reason. Fitting windows problem is not an excuse to remove items, sincerely.

>> “I've not heard a good argument for anything else beyond those drones and the other mentioned types, though” << This is another poorly excuse to do what you (or someone above you) want, with are remove items from player hand. As stated by many persons before, these items are collector item. If you do not want to player use it, just issue a global warning telling that use a collector item is an exploit, easy. Problem solved.

>> “The capital hardwiring, for example was the *only* implant of that entire set existing on TQ, and I find it hard to believe that exactly one implant found its way into the game through wholly legitimate means.” << Ok, if you company had an inside problem with your employers, this was your problem, not the player problem. If your employer misbehave, fire him. If he was working with player, ban the player too. BUT if the item get to the hand of an innocent player, DO NOT punish that player removing the item. As above, just make the use of that item an exploit. If the collector player misbehave (with I really think high improvable) ban him.

TL, DR: Do not remove the item. That is not the solution. Do not f*** with the collector profession / game play just because you think that deleting the items is the easy CCP solution. The items already exist, and collector players invest time, isk and many times they personal RL money to get it.