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Mass Effect 3: The good, the bad and the ugly.

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#81 - 2012-03-14 14:29:21 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:
I DO like it that the endings are not Hollywood endings and I think a large part of the fanbase is ranting because of this.


Hi, don't speak for other people please, you remind me of that stupid 99% soundbite that the occupy movement was throwing around, I happen to believe the central banks are the route cause of the problem and have more power than the actual government which is why all their buddies got bailed out while the other ones failed.


I have no idea what you are talking about but I guess I should feel offended ? Straight
Liam Mirren
#82 - 2012-03-14 15:07:00 UTC
The endings are idiotic and completely out of place compared to anything previously in the ME series, the person who wrote the current endings and the one who gave it the OK should be ashamed of themselves. It didn't need that "guardian", it could all have been played, and explained, through the Elusive Man. That would have been fitting and way more neat.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Reiisha
#83 - 2012-03-14 15:21:16 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Sellendis wrote:
Reiisha wrote:


My bet is on dream ending. The rest of the game is too consistent to make it not true >_>


Still, i am afraid to get my hopes up. This was a massive "F you" to the fans. Still cant get how the hell could they even imagine showing this, after the leak months ago when they said its just temporary ending, and to be revised. Then it goes live...

If they didn't have the end ready, they should have said so, not take this hit from the fans, unsubs from SWTOR and shitstorm all around.

If they plan to release it as a DLC, and even charge for it, that's a new low.



Selling an ending to a game as DLC? Hmm, I wonder why the movies never tried this..

Oh, that's right, gamers are idiots Sad


(Do it EA, at this point I'd bet they all buy it.)


Possible DLC spotted on the Xbox 360 dev network, called "The Truth". Contains an extra firebase (before the ending) and extra gameplay after the ending, depending on what you've chosen.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Sellendis
The Ares project
#84 - 2012-03-14 16:17:02 UTC
@Reiisha

And its not like we got trolls taunting people in despair.
http://i.imgur.com/xjXdX.png


I will believe it when i see it.
Valei Khurelem
#85 - 2012-03-14 16:29:06 UTC
By the way guys, I found this article that basically confirms everything we've feared :(


http://www.oxm.co.uk/39718/bioware-on-mass-effect-3-ending-better-to-be-controversial-than-forgettable/

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Liam Mirren
#86 - 2012-03-14 17:12:24 UTC
Here's a good review on the endings.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Valei Khurelem
#87 - 2012-03-14 17:31:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
LOL that describes everything I immediately thought when I encountered that ending for the first time then I ended up here.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-03-14 23:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia
well, I beat the game.

-the game itself was great for the most part. there are lots of details that have been pointed out here and elsewhere that could be improved but I can overlook most of them as they did do a good job of framing the bleak impending doom atmosphere. some scenes could even tug at your heart a bit

-the ending... it's all been said. Love it or hate it is up to you, I for one pledge an oath today that I will never pay money for another EAioware game. Of course the ending was done on purpose and it's so they can drag you out for another $50 later giving you what they intentionally withheld.

I told myself after DA2 I wouldn't pay for another EAioware game. I preordered this crap and I paid for the day one DLC (which if you've played the game and took the Prothean to Thessia w/ Liara it's obvious he's meant to be in the game). I've also argued to much extent here and elsewhere the validity of pirating software as a valid consumer action, especially in a day when people like EA will cut a bunch of crap out of a game (leaving the game itself nothing more than a DLC platform) but still have the balls to sell you the game for $70.

Never again will I pay for another one of their products. I'll play some of them, but they got my last dollar. And no matter what they do in the future (if anything) to rectify the slap in the face that the end of this game was, unless it's free DLC it will only go to support my opinions on pirating software to send a message.

Future conversations will go like this:

Bob: You shouldn't pirate software Alia, it's bad.
ME: I gave Bioware hundreds of dollars and 5 years of being a loyal fan. They repaid this by ruining the end of what could have been the most epic sci-fi game series of all time. The reasons for which are either sabotaging their own product by forcing development to meet an unrealistic due date (not likely) or to repay my patronage by trying to dupe a few more dollars out of me.
Bob: But it's stealing
ME: Yeah, I know. That's why I'm so mad at them.
Bob: That's not what I meant...
ME: I know.

Never again. I'd sooner stab myself in the leg than give them another dollar. It would hurt less.

I KNEW THEY WOULD DO THIS, that's the worst part. EAioware is Lucy and I'm Charlie Brown... lying on my back in the yard after having Lucy yank the football before I try to kick it for the umpteenth time.

ps: It's nice to see the interview with the executive producer who is pressed about the fan reaction amounts to "the game is perfect and internet people are lying" Roll

pss: multiplayer is actually fun, if you can ignore the terrible glaring how-the-hell-did-they-realease-this-crap-in-this-state bugs. Straight

/ragerant off
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#89 - 2012-03-15 02:14:57 UTC
http://consumerist.com/2012/03/worst-company-in-america-round-one-ea-vs-sony.html

worst company is America? EA! lol I especially love the video, nice to see that EA and Bioware keeps changing the industry with ME3.
Maroxus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-03-15 07:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Maroxus
The forum rage on Bioware Social is still going on ... especially the story and discussion area of Mass Effect 3 where the first page is updated every minute. This reminds me of the incarana rage lol.

Best pictures so far:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6837710858_cf69fce2f9_b.jpg
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/267/791/54b.jpg

Edit: Best Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467pmIX-oZo
Wild Rho
The Riot Formation
#91 - 2012-03-15 07:36:43 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:

-the ending... it's all been said. Love it or hate it is up to you, I for one pledge an oath today that I will never pay money for another EAioware game. Of course the ending was done on purpose and it's so they can drag you out for another $50 later giving you what they intentionally withheld.


I feel pretty much the same. I am actually curious to see how much DLC they'll manage to sell when they seem to have killed a lot of peoples investment in the story.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-03-15 07:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
I don't really mind the endings - seems like if you have a high enough score you can get just about any ending you want. What really bothers me is that to get that score you have to do multiplayer. I really have no interest in multiplayer shooters, and mindless online shooting shouldn't have any effect on my story.

I will say I thought the synthesis ending was LOL-stupid. It's like a childish solution to end racism - make everyone interbreed into a single color of brown. But with flesh and robots. Maybe in the context of the cycle of destruction of synthetic and organic life it's not so unreasonable but it sure did look corny.

All that said - I have no doubt the indoctrination theories are correct. There's no other excuse for Shep waking up in London really. And they GIVE IT AWAY when Shep says "The Illusive Man was right all along."

So the true ending: Shep rejects indoctrination, destroys Reapers, lives.

I was bothered they didn't do something a bit more clever like... Shep was revived through Reaper tech. That would have made a "destroy all Reapers" ending a little more complicated.

Mass Effect 4... well the ending either hints at more Shepard (and there damn well better be - I need Shep! Just like that Kony dude desperately needs children!). I'm guessing it'll take place after the reconstruction of the mass relays. Surely a galaxy of scientists weren't just twiddling their thumbs for hundreds of years without figuring out how they operate. Don't you have to know how they operate to make a ship that interfaces with them?

And in the years it takes to rebuild the relays, a united inter-species government will have formed on earth from all the fleets settling there. Earth becomes the new seat of power for the universe.

MASS PREDICTION: Within a year, a DLC to give us a more satisfying conclusion and set up the next trilogy for Shep.
Sellendis
The Ares project
#93 - 2012-03-15 10:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sellendis
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
well, I beat the game.

Never again will I pay for another one of their products. I'll play some of them, but they got my last dollar. And no matter what they do in the future (if anything) to rectify the slap in the face that the end of this game was, unless it's free DLC it will only go to support my opinions on pirating software to send a message.

Future conversations will go like this:

Bob: You shouldn't pirate software Alia, it's bad.
ME: I gave Bioware hundreds of dollars and 5 years of being a loyal fan. They repaid this by ruining the end of what could have been the most epic sci-fi game series of all time. The reasons for which are either sabotaging their own product by forcing development to meet an unrealistic due date (not likely) or to repay my patronage by trying to dupe a few more dollars out of me.
Bob: But it's stealing
ME: Yeah, I know. That's why I'm so mad at them.
Bob: That's not what I meant...
ME: I know.



Its not just you mate, they screwed up with DA2, so simplified it was boring as hell, dont get me started on bugs.
Then they do the ME3 fiasco.

Now somebody asks you why dont you buy the games? Whats the point, you give money for a collection of different bugs coming with a installer.
They sell you some crap, and later they wonder why aren't you buying crap again. Brilliant isn't it?
We should make shirts, i bought all 3 ME titles, and all i got was a kick in the quad. :)

@Jada

And how is the earth, charred to crap anyway, able to support so vastly different species? Quarians and Turians cant eat any human food, supplies are all time low.

In the beginning of the assault, fleet jumps to earth, and they jump out next to the mass relay, so does the Crucible in the second jump. So you need 2 relays to make a jump, start and destination relay. Since game tells us from the start that relays are ancient tech and they still dont know how it works...slim chance to build one in SOL, and even then they need another one at the destination point.
If you played ME2 Arrival DLC, the one relay that went boom in Batarian system, wiped the whole system out, codex entry says that relay would make a small supernova, the one blowing in SOL could wipe the fleets around earth with the shock-wave, at least it does massive dmg in Arrival.

I agree with you on some points, they need to really spin this around to fix these plot-holes.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#94 - 2012-03-15 10:32:52 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:

Mass Effect 4... well the ending either hints at more Shepard (and there damn well better be - I need Shep!
[snip]
MASS PREDICTION: Within a year, a DLC to give us a more satisfying conclusion and set up the next trilogy for Shep.


Problem here is : Do you really want to keep playing with a Shepard that killed EDI ? Joker will hate you FOREVER X
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2012-03-15 11:37:39 UTC
What I regret, is that some tailored suits from EA must have deemed the story thing of the game to be optional, just like an ending.
In ME2 already, they took away most of the RPG part and replaced it with quests-for-dummies à la DA2.
"I overheard your conversation..."
"I heard you talking..."
"I found that artifact on a planet across the galaxy and I knew it was for you, enjoy!"
Big flashing indicators to display the location of various mission objectives because two pillars in the middle of a room could be too confusing and players might get lost.

I was fond of ME because of the whole epic space-opera idea and great dialogs, not for the shooter gameplay itself and I think that's where they terribly failed. ME2 was already a step down the bad side, but with ME3, they basically stripped the game of everything that made it so special, to streamline it into another random mainstream shooter, with less storytelling and lore, but more player hand holding and shooting.

Besides, I don't give a damn about the whole MP shooter part of the game and I think they should have focused on the story for ME3 and release an optional standalone Mass Effect Online along with ME3 for the trigger-happy retards that don't give a sh*t about the story and only interested in pewpewing online, instead of making stupid compromises to pack it all together.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-03-15 11:42:52 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
We should make shirts, i bought all 3 ME titles, and all i got was a kick in the quad. :)

This... deserves a post on ME3 forums Lol

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Sellendis
The Ares project
#97 - 2012-03-15 19:24:36 UTC
Breaking News....

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9999272

Here's the official website: ME3 The Final Hours

It supposedly has insider information on scrapped parts of the game, interviews with bioware staff over some of the moments in the game, and never before seen art work (which was also scrapped). I just bought the app and hope to update you guys later on, with any interesting news from the app.

Also a Windows/Mac version will be out later, presumably through steam (its the same as the final hours for portal 2).

The cost is $2.99

On Tali's Face
We eventually decided that she gives you a memento of her pictures, but the team was throwing around a lot of pictures and designs until we decided on something and said "Yup, that's her".

Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"


And there it goes, a new low for them.
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-03-15 20:06:04 UTC
God babies... geesh there was nothing more I hated than walking in on a WOW role-play group at the tavern where the girls were all supposedly having god babies. And what do they do in ME3... Pfft.... When Karpyshyn left the project all hope left with him.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-03-15 20:19:20 UTC
Meh, the ending's not really as terrible as a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. Especially if you buy into this.
Valei Khurelem
#100 - 2012-03-15 20:38:27 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Meh, the ending's not really as terrible as a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. Especially if you buy into this.


I'd rather look at reality than be in complete denial about the game endings being absolute garbage, what is the biggest **** take is the game pulls you along with perfectly acceptable storylines and choices towards the middle then it just comes along and kicks you in the balls for all your effort.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium