EVE General Discussion

I was referring to said data, you are fail now. There was 4+tn of sleeper drone AI traded in one day. 302 bn in incursion isk and 4millionLP.

Another point i made but you ignored is that if you had ever tried salvaging a level 1 mission in the past, you made (X-current inflation) on the loot. Now you make (X+current inflation).

And yes, they take months to fly. And you need months to train level 4's to use the same ships too.

They retained me. So many people call me stupid because they don't know the difference between attitude and aptitude, yet they have pity on people who are clearly stupider than me [sic] by failing out of Eve.

A warm welcome to you!



Don't worry, we will come and kill you sooner or later.



That's indeed a problem and easy to understand. There are so many MMOs that teach players that SP equal access to content. Something CCPs marketing folk (CAN YOU HEAR ME OVER THERE IN ICELAND?) should work on.

The real problem is purchasing power. Who cares about 15$ in the US? That's pocket change. Meanwhile, 15€ will buy you a whole week worth of cheap groceries.

I’m not sure what you mean. But I am fairly sure we will continue to see that a higher and higher percent of gangs or “solo” pilots will use booster alts. Do you disagree?



I never said no one would ever use these ships with their mains but it’s likely pretty rare. They are mostly going to be an alt. Again do you disagree?

I’m not saying booster alts are everywhere now. But they are growing and I don’t see an end in sight.

New players will more and more often come out to low sec and get owned by a frigate that can point them at 40k and wonder what the hell happened. They will increasingly learn that it’s not a mod they can save up for or a skill they can train. It’s a matter of just going the immersion breaking route of dual boxing alts.

This is how eve is changing now. Once the change is complete and eve gets this reputation it’s hard to undo.

This is what you said:


So yes, you most assuredly did say that new players MUST train their own gang boosters. Which is ******* bullshit.



Gang boosters give meaningful bonuses when used appropriately, but most of the time their bonuses just aren't very useful. The most useful bonuses are trivially the skirmish links, followed by either armor or shield - though you'll normally run with no more than one or the other. Info links are very specialized.

It is entirely possible to fight without disadvantage regardless of whether you have gang bonuses. I can, and frequently do.



No, the population density of booster alts is going to go down because there's only one or two desired per fleet. This means that the noob that you're telling me must train his very own dedicated booster alt isn't going to have a whole hell of a lot of use for it.



There you go again, claiming that the noob must train up his own personal dual boxing booster alt. Bullshit.

-Liang

Perhaps if CCP gave tech I cruisers and frigs a little love, maybe new players wouldn't feel so useless the first 5 months of the game. (Unless they fly minmatar, in which case they're at least semi useful.)

What you quoted from me does not say you need to have more than one booster per gang. Did you think it does?

The underlined section says that every new player must train their own personal gang booster. This is bullshit.

-Liang

I'll pull it back to the beginning, because my reading of your posts seems to agree with the point Liang is making and I don't think you're seeing it Cearain.

You are making the point that all new players will require a booster alt. Your last sentence in that initial paragraph was like me asking you:

"Would you like to eat this even though it tastes like poop?"

I'd hope you would say no, unless of course you like eating poop. So no is the response you would get from new players as well when you put an impossible barrier in front of them, especially if that barrier is not required. You have primed the question to get the response you want.

You later changed your tune to show this:



Which seems a bit better. This clear communication thing is hard, huh?

1. its more expensive and less accessible than other mmos

2. it takes a year to be able to do anything rewarding or entertaining

3. the pve is ******* terrible

4. the pvp is (now) becoming exclusive in far too many ways (isk down, stakes raised everywhere). there are only half a dozen ships/fits worth flying if you actually want to win. most of them are minmatar.

5. 0.0 is empty due to risk free high sec isk faucets that are completely exclusive (see 1, 2, 3) so you're kinda stuck with low sec or alpha blobs in gewns. neither of which is welcoming to new players or attractive to established ones. in fact **** it, I'll go balls deep here and say sov 0.0 is ******* horrible and futile; the isk is ****, the ctas are ****, the fleet doctines are ****, the lag is **** and the inhability for any smaller alliance to resist the larger ones because the game is fundamentally unfair (boo hoo) is in the eyes of many newcomers err, pretty ****.

so you whittle away at your player base until the only guys left are professional eve players, bitter vets in 'elite' alliances and dumb sheeple who havent yet realized they're bored (but do within a few months and move on). the high sec dwelling hoardes of aspies and high functioning sociopaths who dont want to 'play with anyone else anyway' pay your wages. so you give them stuff to do. which is not appealing to the other 9bn folks on the planet sadly. but keeps ccp in business.

6. eve is fundamentally boring as **** unless you do nothing but pvp relentlessly with a 70m sp character and have friends with tech moons to finance it for you. and this is fast becoming a case of the same 5k or so dudes fighting each other week in and week out. you cant do that anyway because nobody trusts or wants newbies around. new players (of the sort ccp advertising brings in) are generally incompatible with the mindset and intellectual challenge posed to them and just a burden that soak up all your time and enthusiasm then quit after 2-6 months.

7. you need multiple accounts to do anything fun or lucrative. so yeah, the constipation caused by having a game which demands all your time and $$$ and enthusiasm (and then some) to get any good at, or to grind around even just the most basic of **** like moving around or moving assets from one place to another, coupled with the total lack of demand for this kind of gameplay among consumers nowdays, err, puts people off. normal people that is.

ccp doesnt seem to have realized that people dont want to spend 8 hrs playing eve every day in the pursuit of 3 minutes of actual fun (which is always at the expense of weaker, dumber, poorer and less experienced players who will soon quit). and even if they do, most dont have that luxury and rapidly realize they dont have the isk (or the rl money or time to make the isk) to keep it up. and quit. or go find other games that indulge their laziness and desire to feel special and powerful asap. of which there are many and all of which have lots more people to 'be friends' with. for less cost.

so your entire player base are basically either high paid dudes who sperge in safe space or unemployed guys with above average IQ's who want to grief idealists and 'retards' out of the game. since most of those tend to be phsycially repellant young men of college age or sad middle aged losers on the dole, the target audience is pretty limited. since eve is not 'aspirational' or 'self esteem compensating' enough for the wow crowd, you're once again looking at finding new and inventive ways of retaining the attention of and/or gratifying weirdos.

8. the economy is fantastically broken and almost completely at the mercy of third world botters and hoardes of non-english speaking rmters for whom eve is not entertainment but a ******* career move.

9. there is literally nothing to do for the first 6 months in this game except go afk or grind pve. the much vaunted romantic notions of yore no longer apply; you are not useful in a rifter. those days are long, long gone.

dichotomy between pve and pvp skills training and ignorance among new players of the distinction between the two just makes people quit when they get bored of missions and can't pvp because they a) have literally no ******* clue how and even if they do, they can't afford to lose thei rocket fit cynabal more than once or twice before they're broke (not that they will risk it anyway, being nerdy cowards) and b) their skills they spent months patiently working on are ******* useless for the task.

10. there is no incentive financially or in terms of roi to training a new character from scratch over just say, dropping $200 on one
+ lots more ad nauseum

tl;dr eve only appeals to 'pro' mmo players who are sadists or masochists or mentally handicapped in some way. its expensive, time consuming and unrewarding except at the highest levels; which are inaccessible to people who are not able to spend 5+ hrs a day playing eve ie. folks who can stump up the mandatory $2-400 to get a character and assets that can realize that ambition quickly enough to maintain their interest.

which isnt usually very enduring because: the core game is **** and the pvp is fast becoming **** due to incursion based inflation and propagation of faction hulls and other ******** **** that is far too common and far too good compared to everything else on offer.