Ships & Modules

When people say straw man arguments, this is the sort of thing they're talking about.

You seem to think bringing super caps to a fight escalates the battle somehow, so it becomes a playing field where only capital ships matter, titans most of all. This attitude is toxic, and it goes against the EVE where a newbie's hero tackle can start a chain of events which can reshape the landscape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU

That's CCP's trailer of a vision of EVE, and one of the most attractive parts of this MMO. The idea of fights 'escalating' and super caps being some kind of 'endgame' hull is detrimental to EVE as a game.

raiden. is literally incapable of being embarrassed, it requires a level of self awareness they simply do not possess

i wonder why gordon cain (aka ~the supremacy~) jumped from that sinking ship

Are they able to feel fear when welpcanes attack or is that just a knee jerk response to enemies that aren't dead?

So no then?

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Some interesting points here. I'll break up the quote to address them.



I don't actually have a strong opinion when it comes to combat roles of capitals, beyond the concept that they should be vulnerable enough to tackle and destruction. Where you suggest a combat capital, I think that re-examining super capital immunity to conventional tackle has some merit. Perhaps with an innate WCS of something like 15-25, so that a large presence of vulnerable tackle or heavy tackle is required to hold each ship on the field.I don't necessarily see validity to keeping Titans immune to conventional tackle, but it's only one idea. I suggest it because it works with the present game mechanics, addresses the issue of super capitals being unchecked entirely in low sec, and gives a role to coordinated groups of new players flying ships which are extremely vulnerable to any sort of sub capital support fleet. Even carriers spewing masses of Warrior IIs can kill frigates as fast as they lock them. Either way, we can agree that the status quo is not healthy.


Given your ticker is from one of the better alliances at bombing in EVE, I'm somewhat surprised by this. The advent of TiDi opens up a range of fleet options to combat sub capital fleets, as things which cycle faster now work in combat, and logistics ships have their effective reaction time improved. That said, I'd rather hash this out with a fight than posting theory craft. I don't think we're unbeatable, and I'm sure you'd find many allies willing to support you if you wanted to prove that.



The arguments originate from a perceived elitism among 0.0 entities - that they don't want new members, or do much to recruit them, and that they have unreasonably high SP barriers for welcoming pilots into the fold. Goonfleet does have a few members that have been around since 2006, but plenty of us are legitimately new, or resubscribed with little SP.

For example, I myself have only been around for 11 months. I've got 17m SP to my name, and I'm only just now approaching being able to fly a well-skilled logistics ship (24 days out). Plenty of alliance demand a 20m SP minimum, which creates a situation where players need to either wait a year to experience the joy of EVE PvP, or spend large amounts of ISK to acquire someone's combat character. This isn't a good solution. TEST and Goonfleet are the only two entities I know of in 0.0 that are willing to nurture players from day 1. If there are other groups out there, power to them. I'm glad I've been able to enjoy EVE since I subscribed last April.



I agree it's kind of a terrible solution to the issue of super caps being space coffins, but it's a way to throw bad money after good to get much of the initial investment (a character with excellent combat skills) back. As long as changes given to super caps to allow them to dock comes with further reductions to their combat dominance, I think I'd agree that they'd be good changes for EVE. While Titans can shoot down after burning Rifters, anything goes.

again how do you propose that 50 titans shake off 10 "juggers" that nobody will fly because ahaha stupid gimmicks

try to answer that with less than 20 ellipses in one sentence

WTF is CCPs problem?

I can't believe that you have the balls and are willing to flat our admit that your just doing this cause you don't want to take the time to do it right.

Proving yet again that the apologies and " I'm gonna do better" were just bullshit and empty comments.

I think Titans need to be re-balanced, but a 90 billion isk paper weight?


Goon and friends just played you, and I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.


I will be turning off my account and personally using Greyscale as a replacement for C * nt.


I hope you at least have the rational to provide the people that spent 2 years training and 4 years building assets a buyout option.


If and when you get your head out of your ass, and actually want to improve the game let me know.

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