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Incoming titan adjustments

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Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1861 - 2012-03-14 20:31:40 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
On a side note I think it is so funny Goons are complaining about being blobbed, what is not funny is CCP is listening.

Change Titans by all means but don't do it for them. And don't rush it for them.


You yourself are to blame; you and your fellows refuse to accept responsibility for your own misbehavior. Typical.

Would also please tell Greyscale to balance the blob when you are having beers with him next time?


Greyscale and I can't stand each other. And he doesn't drink.

I'm sorry that you - hiding, ashamed, behind the anonymity of an npc alt - are unwilling to face up to your own comeuppance.

This is happening because of your misdeeds, your obvious culpability. And you're hiding behind straw men and trying - desperately so! - to deflect the consequences of your actions.

You blapped, and now you got blapped. Perhaps if you hadn't misused Titans in the first place, this nerf wouldn't have had to happen.

For god's sake, could someone plz translate this? English is not my first language and this guy speaks like a law professor from Harvard.


Given this alt's choice of name, I find this quote amusing, but sure, I'll do my best to simplify this elegant statement:

'I do not get along with CCP Greyscale. I cannot bond with this man over alcohol in a casual place.'

'I am sad that you choose to use an alternate character that does not reveal who you are when you complain about this nerf which was entirely demanded by your own behavior.'

'This has come because you have done things which are bad for EVE and make it a worse game, and which are obviously your fault. You hide behind bad arguments against false figures, and try to change the subject from your own guilt.'

'You killed everyone, and now you are being killed. If you had not used Titans to kill everything, this would not be a necessary nerd to their use.'

I believe this should be clear.
niishke
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1862 - 2012-03-14 20:31:54 UTC
ITT: People who know nothing about anybody's official stance on anything.

Also discussing a nerf only tangentially related to ships and/or mods.
Daiony
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1863 - 2012-03-14 20:31:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
Daiony wrote:
Please rotate moonmining materials monthly, galaxywide. Resourcevaults get depleted and new ones get discovered.


this is an idea held by horrible people who have never scanned a single constellation full of moons

:condi:


Work for your wealth, kid. Or get your Dev friends to change the scan mechanics for moons. Whats the problem?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1864 - 2012-03-14 20:32:28 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?

tech doesn't have a "quick fix" or "stop-gap measure"


off cause it does. your kidding me right, you just have to not care what happens if you do it... you make 500 ish of the moons in empire/low sec tech that was gas before. Done


you mean increasing the abundance of technetium? I dunno, that's a pretty silly approach, and it'd just boost neo to hell

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1865 - 2012-03-14 20:33:07 UTC
Wirbin wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?


I don't know what you mean by "out of context" but I agree that tech does need something done to it. Titan pilots were way too noisy and boisterous about abusing their imbalance so they get fixed (in the testicle removal sense) first, though. If only you had been the slightest bit humble this wouldn't be happening!


Not out of context when the nurf = monopoly for one of the involved partys
Daiony
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1866 - 2012-03-14 20:33:44 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:


'You killed everyone, and now you are being killed. If you had not used Titans to kill everything, this would not be a necessary nerd to their use.'



Freudian slip?
Khadmos
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1867 - 2012-03-14 20:33:49 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?


Pretty much the entire CFC is calling for nerfs to tech and income generated by actually having people use systems. I believe this is something mittens mentioned in his current CSM campaign.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1868 - 2012-03-14 20:34:50 UTC
Daiony wrote:
Work for your wealth, kid. Or get your Dev friends to change the scan mechanics for moons. Whats the problem?


hey maybe you should stop being a clueless pubbie and realize the economic effects of a moon rotation

let me simplify it for you: t2 market goes to hell every n weeks

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1869 - 2012-03-14 20:37:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?

tech doesn't have a "quick fix" or "stop-gap measure"


off cause it does. your kidding me right, you just have to not care what happens if you do it... you make 500 ish of the moons in empire/low sec tech that was gas before. Done


you mean increasing the abundance of technetium? I dunno, that's a pretty silly approach, and it'd just boost neo to hell


Same approach till you get the balance you want.
Don't tell me you can't do it, and this titan nurf is also a stated hot fix.



Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1870 - 2012-03-14 20:37:55 UTC
I went outside for an hour to collect Maple Sap and say hi to my honeybees and come back to 20 more pages of whining and Andski owning.

All of you, get lives/jobs/something other than eve, please. If you won't do it for yourselves, think about your mothers and their sanity that you are slowly destroying.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1871 - 2012-03-14 20:38:11 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?

tech doesn't have a "quick fix" or "stop-gap measure"


off cause it does. your kidding me right, you just have to not care what happens if you do it... you make 500 ish of the moons in empire/low sec tech that was gas before. Done


Beyond the simple fact that the T2 production system guarantees there will be a bottleneck and the trick to wealth is figuring out what that is, this would not necessarily drive conflict in EVE in 0.0. Moons are still not tied to Sov as a source of wealth beyond that, in low sec, super caps are even more hilariously unkillable, as only scripted hictors are able to hold points on single super caps . Highsec moons need to deal with the idiotic warded system. The imbalance in Moon Distribution throughout 0.0, and the fact that alliance level wealth is tied to moons and not sovereignty driver of this problem, not the lack of tech moons in low sec and high sec.

Any fix to this that doesn't create another, potentially worse problem is going to be complex. I can't wait for it to come, but again, this is a separate issue, which you're using to drive the topic off from the central fact: Titans being able to quickly murder all ships in EVE was detrimental to EVE as a game, and their use this way created this change.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1872 - 2012-03-14 20:39:15 UTC
Should have changed nothing except Titans being able to track sub-caps. That's all
Wirbin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1873 - 2012-03-14 20:39:35 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
Wirbin wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?


I don't know what you mean by "out of context" but I agree that tech does need something done to it. Titan pilots were way too noisy and boisterous about abusing their imbalance so they get fixed (in the testicle removal sense) first, though. If only you had been the slightest bit humble this wouldn't be happening!


Not out of context when the nurf = monopoly for one of the involved partys


Why are you arguing on the same side as me about tech in the titan thread? I'll use smaller words and try to put this to bed:

Both need nerf.

You were dumb.

You get nerf first.

Good game.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1874 - 2012-03-14 20:39:37 UTC
Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.

I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news.

~hi~

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1875 - 2012-03-14 20:39:42 UTC
Khadmos wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?

Pretty much the entire CFC is calling for nerfs to tech and income generated by actually having people use systems. I believe this is something mittens mentioned in his current CSM campaign.

Yeah. Guess now we can spend our tech money on more drakes, blackbirds and rifters until then.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1876 - 2012-03-14 20:41:11 UTC
Daiony wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:


'You killed everyone, and now you are being killed. If you had not used Titans to kill everything, this would not be a necessary nerd to their use.'



Freudian slip?


Autocorrect. :cripes:. Then again, this is EVE, I think that word applies to anyone in this game.
Variable1
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1877 - 2012-03-14 20:44:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Variable1
The Mittani wrote:

The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.

They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement.


lol same old Mittani, the more he says 'stuff' the more CCP and newbs believe it :(
Let me break your paragraphs down a little...

1. You give no hard facts, just loose collections of your own opinions.

2. Ships are in game. People buy ships. People like ships. People use ships. **Gasp**.

3. There is no broken mechanic, no abuse, no illegal activity, and nothing is obvious bar your sh**posting.

4. It's not about old guard, elite players, justification blah blah, it's simply about pew. You shoot, you kill, you enjoy.

5. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of fleets by having 3-4 of them (250 in each).

6. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of Apha Maels, and how having 400-700 of them in one mega fleet is somehow 'ok', but fielding 20 titans is not..

No I take it back. Mittens must be right, after all, the goon way is the best way. I see it now.

Sorry, nothing to see here.
vasanizome
Perkone
Caldari State
#1878 - 2012-03-14 20:45:14 UTC
those you can not fight at field fight and cry for nerf at forums
FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1879 - 2012-03-14 20:47:36 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.

I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news.


Then push it at the same time, king Mittani.

Show some ******* impartiality.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1880 - 2012-03-14 20:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Variable1 wrote:
6. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of Apha Maels, and how having 400-700 of them in one mega fleet is somehow 'ok', but fielding 20 titans is not..

We had only a few times of fielding 400-700 maels. After that it was changed to the general no-more-than-one fleet & tons of drakes which you see today (as evidenced by killboards).

Any newbie that can use a scorpion knows to keep some blackbirds or drakes handy because the maelstrom fleet fills up pretty fast as it's usually the first one created if called for.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?