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Incoming titan adjustments

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Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1841 - 2012-03-14 20:15:34 UTC
hioshi IV wrote:
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@Titan owners: I feel sorry for you, skilling for years, griding isk and get ass raped by goons like this


I didn't see much else to your post resembling a point worth addressing, but this is an argument that you present that warrants a response, because people frequently suggest variants of this idea without seeing what I feel is the obvious counterpoint.

Specifically, that this concept that high SP characters are an entitled class worth catering to as the expense of the fun of large numbers of low SP new characters.

Goonswarm has been against this idea since our inception. Preserving existing, long term players at the expense of sharing EVE with a new audience is terrible for the health of the game, and with the advent of legitimate character transfer, arguments that high-SP characters are always long term loyal customers ring false. All titan pilots are are old characters specifically skilled into a hull that they will sit in until biomass, unless there is a holding alt. For them to completely trivialize the ability to participate in significant EVE brawls for sub capital pilots who have anywhere from weeks to years of skill points is something which they are doing to the detriment of the entire game.

EVE is a game where every pilot, even those in a meager, tech 1 frigate, should be able to contribute to the battlefield. The fact that titans have been murdering full fleets of everything from after burning Rifters to interdictors to battleships shows how mechanically, these ships remove gameplay for sub caps when they arrive on the field.

This is the return of balance to EVE, so everyone can play.
Krystal Flores
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#1842 - 2012-03-14 20:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Krystal Flores
Why is this so hard for you guys to understand.

As it stands a lot of titan pilots and us think tracking on titans is too good im pretty sure most pilots would be ok with that change.

You guys kinda ignore that shouting "you use then wrong."

What the problem is you don't seem to remember how fast a capital dies when shot by a subcap fleet. Having a lone titan be anti-capital even in a small fleet with 5 scan rez would mean that it would take a very long time to lock capitals, if it even gets to lock at all.
I don't really have any experience with the max 3 targets so ill leave that to other people.
FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1843 - 2012-03-14 20:18:01 UTC
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?
FalconX Blast
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1844 - 2012-03-14 20:18:28 UTC
Can we get 2 JBs in every system please?
The proliferation of titans in-game increased when we needed to make more alternatives to stationary jump bridges. That in turn led to more titan pilots, which increased the number of dishonorable titan pilots and then more incredulous blapping of frigates from the titans. If we had just left JBs alone, this probably wouldn't have escalated as quickly into an issue needing attention.

Oh well, probably too late to untangle the mess titan pilots created for themselves this time. If titan pilots had only kept their elephant guns off the rifters... reap what you sow.
Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1845 - 2012-03-14 20:18:41 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
hioshi IV wrote:
@CCP: Your drawing your own death.

Look at this topic, more and more people are starting to see your connection/favoritism towards goons.

Soon, your corruption will be exposed, you will die, and i wont feel sorry for you.

..

This is still just a game! Nobody will die...


*Beep* *Beep* I'm A Nerf.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1846 - 2012-03-14 20:19:34 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
On a side note I think it is so funny Goons are complaining about being blobbed, what is not funny is CCP is listening.

Change Titans by all means but don't do it for them. And don't rush it for them.


You yourself are to blame; you and your fellows refuse to accept responsibility for your own misbehavior. Typical.

Would also please tell Greyscale to balance the blob when you are having beers with him next time?


Greyscale and I can't stand each other. And he doesn't drink.

I'm sorry that you - hiding, ashamed, behind the anonymity of an npc alt - are unwilling to face up to your own comeuppance.

This is happening because of your misdeeds, your obvious culpability. And you're hiding behind straw men and trying - desperately so! - to deflect the consequences of your actions.

You blapped, and now you got blapped. Perhaps if you hadn't misused Titans in the first place, this nerf wouldn't have had to happen.

For god's sake, could someone plz translate this? English is not my first language and this guy speaks like a law professor from Harvard.
Daiony
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1847 - 2012-03-14 20:19:54 UTC
Krystal Flores wrote:
Why is this so hard for you guys to understand.

As it stands a lot of titan pilots and us think tracking on titans is too good im pretty sure most pilots would be ok with that change.

You guys kinda ignore that shouting "you use then wrong."

What the problem is you don't seem to remember how fast a capital dies when shot by a supcap fleet. Having a lone titan be anti-capital even in a small fleet with 5 scan rez would mean that it would take a very long time to lock capitals, if it even gets to lock at all.
I don't really have any experience with the max 3 targets so ill leave that to other people.


Forget it, arguments are lost on this mob.
They simply do not understand that this is not an outrage against a titan fix, but against THIS titan fix in its current planned form.
The bigger the mob, the lower the IQ. Sad but true.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1848 - 2012-03-14 20:20:27 UTC
Sotar Armana wrote:
How many pubbies here won't ever even see a titan and yet are against this for some dumb reason?
Now, now. There's a titan in Luminaire that anyone can go and experience first-hand, after all. Blink
Sotar Armana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1849 - 2012-03-14 20:21:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sotar Armana wrote:
How many pubbies here won't ever even see a titan and yet are against this for some dumb reason?
Now, now. There's a titan in Luminaire that anyone can go and experience first-hand, after all. Blink


he should charge a million isk to see it. He would make a fortune.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1850 - 2012-03-14 20:21:44 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
On a side note I think it is so funny Goons are complaining about being blobbed, what is not funny is CCP is listening.

Change Titans by all means but don't do it for them. And don't rush it for them.


You yourself are to blame; you and your fellows refuse to accept responsibility for your own misbehavior. Typical.

Would also please tell Greyscale to balance the blob when you are having beers with him next time?


Greyscale and I can't stand each other. And he doesn't drink.

I'm sorry that you - hiding, ashamed, behind the anonymity of an npc alt - are unwilling to face up to your own comeuppance.

This is happening because of your misdeeds, your obvious culpability. And you're hiding behind straw men and trying - desperately so! - to deflect the consequences of your actions.

You blapped, and now you got blapped. Perhaps if you hadn't misused Titans in the first place, this nerf wouldn't have had to happen.

For god's sake, could someone plz translate this? English is not my first language and this guy speaks like a law professor from Harvard.


"Post with your main"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#1851 - 2012-03-14 20:22:21 UTC
Delegado Cero wrote:

There's no pleasing NPC alts who think titans should remain retardedly overpowered.
We didn't really do anything to save EVE, this was entirely brought on by the titan pilots themselves.


Oh dear. Firstly, learn NPC names. Secondly, you should really try to make a post withouth autorepeating what your master says. But then again, beeing a parrot is probably all that you are capable of.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#1852 - 2012-03-14 20:23:43 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?


Please, nerf the **** out of tech.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1853 - 2012-03-14 20:25:47 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?


As you, too, are in an alliance that holds technetium, I think we can both agree with the Mittani and CCP that this is an issue that desperately needs rebalancing and has no relevance to the discussion at hand in this thread.
Daiony
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1854 - 2012-03-14 20:26:19 UTC
Please rotate moonmining materials monthly, galaxywide. Resourcevaults get depleted and new ones get discovered.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1855 - 2012-03-14 20:26:48 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?

tech doesn't have a "quick fix" or "stop-gap measure"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1856 - 2012-03-14 20:27:15 UTC
Daiony wrote:
Please rotate moonmining materials monthly, galaxywide. Resourcevaults get depleted and new ones get discovered.


this is an idea held by horrible people who have never scanned a single constellation full of moons

:condi:

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Utemetsu
#1857 - 2012-03-14 20:28:48 UTC
Please redistribute all wealth in the game. It's clearly unfair that other players have more isk than me! How am I ever going to out trade the 1% of New Eden?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1858 - 2012-03-14 20:30:25 UTC
Utemetsu wrote:
Please redistribute all wealth in the game. It's clearly unfair that other players have more isk than me! How am I ever going to out trade the 1% of New Eden?

wait for an economic patch, find what ccp messed up, boom you're in the 1%

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1859 - 2012-03-14 20:30:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?

tech doesn't have a "quick fix" or "stop-gap measure"


off cause it does. your kidding me right, you just have to not care what happens if you do it... you make 500 ish of the moons in empire/low sec tech that was gas before. Done
Wirbin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1860 - 2012-03-14 20:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Wirbin
FeLiZk wrote:
btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?


I don't know what you mean by "out of context" but I agree that tech does need something done to it. Titan pilots were way too noisy and boisterous about abusing their imbalance so they get fixed (in the testicle removal sense) first, though. If only you had been the slightest bit humble this wouldn't be happening!