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Tector
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1701 - 2012-03-14 18:15:58 UTC
The Economist wrote:
What an amazing pile of steaming **** based on lies, misconceptions and endless exagerration. The situation presented as being responded to simply doesn't represent reality, but rather the deluded and deliberately misleading view of a vocal minority and those who don't know any better.

You, however, should know better CCP.

I can only hope this is laying the groundwork for an epic early April fools joke as opposed to being a concerted effort to bore all titan pilots into never logging in again (except for those wierdos who genuinely enjoy doing nothing but bridging).

Wow, just wow.


Yes clearly titan pilots outnumber the people in subcaps they blast with impunity.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1702 - 2012-03-14 18:15:59 UTC
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
The smart thing to do is to actually fix them, give them a place or pull them from the game, refund Titan-related skill points and the ship's mineral value in ISK to the pilots.


I think 'remove all supercaps from Eve, refund bpos and isk cost' is something all of us can get behind. I'm glad you see it my way.

~hi~
Thora82
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
#1703 - 2012-03-14 18:16:14 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
asdf ghyj wrote:
Dear CCP if do this nerf then gief back to all pilots titan skills cuz we spend 5 bil for skill and 100 bils = for titan and wasting like 3 month + for make skill AND NOW WE CANT USE THIS SHIP cuz this MITANI not have skill and isk to take titan

MR MITANI go play PREPELIX ONLINE and stop cry to CCP cuz u guys (goon) cant fly titans

OR MAKE SERVER FOR GOONS AND LET US PLAY FAIR
And CCp what prefer to have 6-7k players( goons) or 60k players ??????
Think before do wrong changes


I fly an Erebus, and have one of the largest Titan fleets in the galaxy.

The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.

They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement.

Ultimately, the nemesis of titans was the poor impulse control of their own pilots - the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.


what he said
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#1704 - 2012-03-14 18:16:31 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
Griznatch wrote:
The Economist wrote:
What an amazing pile of steaming **** based on lies, misconceptions and endless exagerration. The situation presented as being responded to simply doesn't represent reality, but rather the deluded and deliberately misleading view of a vocal minority and those who don't know any better.

You, however, should know better CCP.

I can only hope this is laying the groundwork for an epic early April fools joke as opposed to being a concerted effort to bore all titan pilots into never logging in again (except for those wierdos who genuinely enjoy doing nothing but bridging).

Wow, just wow.



If not a single titan pilot ever logs into this game again, the quality of this game will improve by several orders of magnitude.


Better to restart the server, would that be fair enough for you.

Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.


Did someone from raiden(dot) really just pull the risk/reward card? Tell me more about the risk involved in dropping 50 titans on a battlecruiser fleet.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Ser Berus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1705 - 2012-03-14 18:16:40 UTC
The Economist wrote:
What an amazing pile of steaming **** based on lies, misconceptions and endless exagerration. The situation presented as being responded to simply doesn't represent reality, but rather the deluded and deliberately misleading view of a vocal minority and those who don't know any better.

You, however, should know better CCP.

I can only hope this is laying the groundwork for an epic early April fools joke as opposed to being a concerted effort to bore all titan pilots into never logging in again (except for those wierdos who genuinely enjoy doing nothing but bridging).

Wow, just wow.


It's consistently hilarious to me how people who devoted their time and energy to a ship whose main use is strategic, get all butthurt when the grotesquely overpowered tactical mechanics get nerfed. It's almost as though the majority of titan pilots in the game have absolutely no idea what value titans bring to the table, and believe that all of eve's game mechanics should boil down to "HURRR BIG SHIP ME MAKE LITTLE SHIP GO BOOM AHAHAHAHA".

Here's a hint: the things which make a titan useful, haven't been nerfed and aren't going to be. The actual "endgame" in eve does not involve parking your fat ass into a single, expensive ship. Hope this helps!
mackluver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1706 - 2012-03-14 18:18:07 UTC
Epic win by CCP, end the Supercap blob!

If all these sad titan pilots cancel their accounts, i hope they at least suicide it into a blob of Drakes first. Maybe then we would get an accurate count on how many are tripple sensor boosted as we watch killmails scroll.
Bashe Zor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1707 - 2012-03-14 18:18:51 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:


Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.


And what risk do these titan pilots take exactly? They're nigh-invincible when fielded in flocks.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#1708 - 2012-03-14 18:20:50 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Who dares oppose the truth in my post? None so far.

Look upon my words, ye badposters, and despair!


I will take exception.

I think CRYING about it in shocked indignation after the fact is the issue.

In holding with your analogy, I would drink myself into a blind, vomiting rage, I just wouldn't complain when I wasn't invited the next time a cousin of mine got married.
Dmitry Sychev
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1709 - 2012-03-14 18:21:20 UTC
asdf ghyj wrote:
Dear CCP if do this nerf then gief back to all pilots titan skills cuz we spend 5 bil for skill and 100 bils = for titan and wasting like 3 month + for make skill AND NOW WE CANT USE THIS SHIP cuz this MITANI not have skill and isk to take titan

MR MITANI go play PREPELIX ONLINE and stop cry to CCP cuz u guys (goon) cant fly titans

OR MAKE SERVER FOR GOONS AND LET US PLAY FAIR
And CCp what prefer to have 6-7k players( goons) or 60k players ??????
Think before do wrong changes


60k players? How many titans in Game? - Titan's pilots will leave game, no changes to online.
Mathicluanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1710 - 2012-03-14 18:22:07 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:

In holding with your analogy, I would drink myself into a blind, vomiting rage, I just wouldn't complain when I wasn't invited the next time a cousin of mine got married.


So you're saying CCP should ban all the current titan pilots?
FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1711 - 2012-03-14 18:24:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
Better to restart the server, would that be fair enough for you.

Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.


Yes you risk all of your titans when you drop them en masse ahahah


Every time we drop them we risk
-Counter drop (trap)
-One bumped titan (thanks for that one CCP)
-Disconnect

And yes we risk all of them, it only takes one very bad day and we lose them all in one go ask RA.

You might not think this, but there are times that we don't use them because the risks involved.
whaynethepain
#1712 - 2012-03-14 18:24:16 UTC
As the Titan numbers mount up, they may have to be brought down a notch or two to balance.

I think the real issue is, we are missing an Alliance HQ structure, with jump-drive and activatable Re-inforce.

Titans do have there role, they jump my fleet ship into the battle. They Project force well, some of them look the part too, they could use some adjustments to the ship lighting effects, and the jump effect doesn't seem to stretch far enough into the distance.

Could every Alliance have a single, moveable super-structure, A standard of power and notoriety, A rally point held with pride.

Didn't wan't a Titan anyway, there is nowhere to park them.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1713 - 2012-03-14 18:24:22 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:


Better to restart the server, would that be fair enough for you.

Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.


hahahahaha well don't worry little fella your no risk toys are getting there balls removed so turn that thrown upside down.
Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1714 - 2012-03-14 18:24:58 UTC
The Economist wrote:
What an amazing pile of steaming **** based on lies, misconceptions and endless exagerration.  The situation presented as being responded to simply doesn't represent reality, but rather the deluded and deliberately misleading view of a vocal minority and those who don't know any better.  

You, however, should know better CCP.

I can only hope this is laying the groundwork for an epic early April fools joke as opposed to being a concerted effort to bore all titan pilots into never logging in again (except for those wierdos who genuinely enjoy doing nothing but bridging).

Wow, just wow.


I don't think you know what minority actually means. 
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1715 - 2012-03-14 18:25:42 UTC
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
Dabigredboat wrote:
The Mittani wrote:


I fly an Erebus, and have one of the largest Titan fleets in the galaxy.

The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.

They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement.

Ultimately, the nemesis of titans was the poor impulse control of their own pilots - the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.


I am Dabigredboat and I fly a leviathan. I agree with the mittani :3:


I am a nobody that doesn't fly a Titan, on any of my accounts.

What's sad to me is how when Mittens posts about his Errorbus and Titan fleet, and all the goon sheep repost with no content, they generate a good amount of noise in a thread already full of it.

The proposed changes aren't going to have the desired effects. It's that simple. People who know a decent amount about game mechanics have said so, but CCP will again ignore them (hello Technetium buff... hello SuperCarrier buff...) thinking they know what they are doing, and throw the requisite "we will evaluate and iterate" line to quiet down those who are easily silenced.

This supposed change will do little to the nullsec battlefield. It will do little to skilled players with Titans who understand game mechanics. It will do nothing to Titan proliferation (743 as of this morning's capital tweet). The smart thing to do is to actually fix them, give them a place or pull them from the game, refund Titan-related skill points and the ship's mineral value in ISK to the pilots.


Why, in god's name, do you people believe that anyone deserves skillpoints and ISK because the faulty game mechanic, that you've been abusing for so long, has been fixed? You've had a good old time wrecking dramiels and rifters. We've all laughed on comms about these killmails and how absolutely ridiculous they are!
You've plopped your fat asses into the systems with 2000 actual pilots duking it out and whored untold numbers of killmails without a single worry as to being killed.
I think you've been given enough. No need for refunds.
Carl Hinken
Doomheim
#1716 - 2012-03-14 18:26:22 UTC
So wait....

You've made it impossible for dreads to hit a slightly moving carrier out of siege (they couldn't in siege already), you've made it impossible for a titan not fitting the apparently pre-requisite 3+ Cormack SBs to hit the same thing (despite supposedly being anti-cap, and you're calling it good.


**** you.
GeneralDisturbed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1717 - 2012-03-14 18:27:19 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:


Every time we drop them we risk
-Counter drop (trap)
-One bumped titan (thanks for that one CCP)
-Disconnect

And yes we risk all of them, it only takes one very bad day and we lose them all in one go ask RA.

You might not think this, but there are times that we don't use them because the risks involved.





[Tell] me more about dropping a blob of titans with supercarrier support onto a fleet of battlecruisers. Something about risk/reward I believe you were saying.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1718 - 2012-03-14 18:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: The Mittani
Carl Hinken wrote:

You've made it impossible for dreads to hit a slightly moving carrier out of siege (they couldn't in siege already), you've made it impossible for a titan not fitting the apparently pre-requisite 3+ Cormack SBs to hit the same thing (despite supposedly being anti-cap, and you're calling it good.


Apparently, ladies and gentlemen of eve-o, NPC altposters think that sensor boosters have something to do with tracking.

Why don't you all give up and admit your own culpability in this. Not only is this nerf your fault, but it is what you deserve.

~hi~
Tector
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1719 - 2012-03-14 18:29:35 UTC
Crias Taylor wrote:
The Economist wrote:
What an amazing pile of steaming **** based on lies, misconceptions and endless exagerration.  The situation presented as being responded to simply doesn't represent reality, but rather the deluded and deliberately misleading view of a vocal minority and those who don't know any better.  

You, however, should know better CCP.

I can only hope this is laying the groundwork for an epic early April fools joke as opposed to being a concerted effort to bore all titan pilots into never logging in again (except for those wierdos who genuinely enjoy doing nothing but bridging).

Wow, just wow.


I don't think you know what minority actually means. 


Imagine that, an Economist that can't count!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1720 - 2012-03-14 18:30:57 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.
It is. That's why the titans are getting adjusted (not just now with the change presented in this thread, but further in the near future as well): because the risk is minimal and the reward is quite large.