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GeneralDisturbed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1581 - 2012-03-14 15:30:37 UTC
Gertrud ToD wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Triskian wrote:
Good morning thread. I see some of you have been busy overnight.

Can someone recap the last 11 pages for me please?


PL/Raiden continue to ignore all arguments to the contrary, and keep pretending that they're a battered alliance of 200 desperate people fighting 1600 goons, and the only thing saving them is their not-overpowred titan "equalizers".

the numbers are 2000 raiden vs 8000 goons.


That's very interesting, considering the largest fight I've been present in, in eve, was the recent fight over our old homeland with the russians. And that involved most every major alliance in the game sending fleets. And local barely hit 2000. Considering goons were only a small part of that fight, I'm not sure where our other 7500 are hiding, but I'd love to know.
BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#1582 - 2012-03-14 15:32:35 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
Ok lets talk fair, why should a sub cap even be able to damage a Titan... if you NEEDED to field capitals to hurt titans this might not be so bad. But you want to be able to kill them and hold them down. Without ever risking anything yourself, like your own cap fleet....


The irony of this is that titans risk nothing while subcaps get torn apart.


The true irony is that they just ignore the fact that Titans are completely invincible when in a blob, unless you bring enough supercapitals to outnumber them. So literally the 'blobbing' these guys whine so much about is THEM. Any battleship fleet of any size can be countered and killed by better pilots, better tactics, a better fleet composition. As it stands, the only thing that can fight titans is a bigger blob of titans. It's them. They are the real blobbers.


you know you have as big a cap fleet as us right ?
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1583 - 2012-03-14 15:33:10 UTC
Tobruk wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Tobruk wrote:



Tell me about Being Objective CCP Grayscale you tool.

I can wait for your next announcement showing us all the brilliantly thought out counter to 800 maelstroms.



A calculator. So you can count the numbers of our enemies and realize this is a red herring since they bring as many on the field as we do.


maybe you should grab one and calculate how many dreads it takes to kill our titans and how long that would take given your current tech income.

but no you should just ignore the best and most viable counter to titans then expect CCP Sound-wave, and CCP Screegs to slobber your rod.


Hey, let me drop 300 years of skill training on your 50 years of skill training, hoping that we might kill 4 years of skill training because you blapped all the dictors.

I don't see any flaws there.
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1584 - 2012-03-14 15:33:28 UTC
If we could get 8000 people in fleet I assure this game would be dead as all of High sec would be burnt to the ground.
Gertrud ToD
Terrorists of Dimensions
#1585 - 2012-03-14 15:35:46 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:

That's very interesting, considering the largest fight I've been present in, in eve, was the recent fight over our old homeland with the russians. And that involved most every major alliance in the game sending fleets. And local barely hit 2000. Considering goons were only a small part of that fight, I'm not sure where our other 7500 are hiding, but I'd love to know.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount
Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1586 - 2012-03-14 15:36:20 UTC
Razzor Death wrote:
If we could get 8000 people in fleet I assure this game would be dead as all of High sec would be burnt to the ground.


The thought of 8000 Brutixes and Tornados sweeping through empire leading nothing in their wake unmolested makes me hard.
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1587 - 2012-03-14 15:36:36 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
Ok lets talk fair, why should a sub cap even be able to damage a Titan... if you NEEDED to field capitals to hurt titans this might not be so bad. But you want to be able to kill them and hold them down. Without ever risking anything yourself, like your own cap fleet....


The irony of this is that titans risk nothing while subcaps get torn apart.


The true irony is that they just ignore the fact that Titans are completely invincible when in a blob, unless you bring enough supercapitals to outnumber them. So literally the 'blobbing' these guys whine so much about is THEM. Any battleship fleet of any size can be countered and killed by better pilots, better tactics, a better fleet composition. As it stands, the only thing that can fight titans is a bigger blob of titans. It's them. They are the real blobbers.


you know you have as big a cap fleet as us right ?



hahaha you are so dumb, I mean just look at you. Sorry princess CCP know we are not just fighting you and you know this as well. Lets see ima pick another Alliance in our 2 coalitions and just use them as an example so I can be as dumb as you.

You have more supers than FA.

Yeah, that's how dumb you look.
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1588 - 2012-03-14 15:37:21 UTC
Gertrud ToD wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:

That's very interesting, considering the largest fight I've been present in, in eve, was the recent fight over our old homeland with the russians. And that involved most every major alliance in the game sending fleets. And local barely hit 2000. Considering goons were only a small part of that fight, I'm not sure where our other 7500 are hiding, but I'd love to know.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount

I am pretty sure that most of those numbers are from a concerted effort to scam the CSM election this time around.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1589 - 2012-03-14 15:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Gertrud ToD wrote:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount


confirming that every single character in our alliance is an individual account belonging to an individual player and is capable of fielding a maelstrom

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1590 - 2012-03-14 15:38:22 UTC
Tobruk wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Tobruk wrote:


maybe you should grab one and calculate how many dreads it takes to kill our titans and how long that would take given your current tech income.


Are you really going to make me detail the many holes in this plan? Is this something you're seriously suggesting or are you just trolling me?

No way, you gotta just be trolling me.


im not trolling Vile rat.

you made a choice to invest your income and time in a specific fleet doctrine, one that vee invented to counter armor hacs and abandons. It was the wrong choice.

Had you been able to field 300 or more dreads there is no FC in his right mind who would have opposed you with titans. Those same dreads can work unsieged like titans and do the same volly damage at the same range as maelstroms.

but this discussion is an academic one as CCP is playing favorites, your CEO has said as much.


Haha, you are actually really stupid, you are not trolling.

"Dear Titans, please stay on grid while we assemble and login our 300 dreads fleet".
BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#1591 - 2012-03-14 15:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: BioZvin
Weaselior wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
Ok lets talk fair, why should a sub cap even be able to damage a Titan... if you NEEDED to field capitals to hurt titans this might not be so bad. But you want to be able to kill them and hold them down. Without ever risking anything yourself, like your own cap fleet....


"by spending 60b i should be invulnerable to the little people" is the antithisis of EVE

no surprise it comes from bob mk4


i have no problem with the way it is or was, or even an change to tracking. I have a problem with my ship being effectively the only ship that can do nothing at all to a ship of another class. A battleship can hit a ceptor, most even have drones to defend it self. And lets be honest here a titan on its own atm can't even defend itself vs one dictor/HIC.

in original post i assumed that titans will be useless against all sub caps, witch I personalty think this nuff will do. But if it doesn't wait a month...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1592 - 2012-03-14 15:43:30 UTC
BioZvin wrote:

i have no problem with the way it is or was, or even an change to tracking. I have a problem with my ship being effectively the only ship that can do nothing at all to a ship of another class. A battleship can hit a ceptor, most even have drones to defend it self. And lets be honest here a titan on its own atm can't even defend itself vs one dictor/HIC.

in original post i assumed that titans will be useless against all sub caps, witch I personalty think this nuff will do. But if it doesn't wait a month...


You dont want your ship to be nerfed to be useless without support yet defend the right to invalidate 99% of ships in EVE...
Dasdraperma
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1593 - 2012-03-14 15:43:52 UTC
Looks like Goons have forum CTA today, defending this nerf? :)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1594 - 2012-03-14 15:44:15 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
And lets be honest here a titan on its own atm can't even defend itself vs one dictor/HIC.


I think it's /fairly/ reasonable that a solo titan should be extremely vulnerable against a dictor or HIC, don't you agree?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1595 - 2012-03-14 15:44:57 UTC
Dasdraperma wrote:
Looks like Goons have forum CTA today, defending this nerf? :)


goons, a bunch of dudes coming from a forum, are posting

what a shock

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#1596 - 2012-03-14 15:46:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
And lets be honest here a titan on its own atm can't even defend itself vs one dictor/HIC.


I think it's /fairly/ reasonable that a solo titan should be extremely vulnerable against a dictor or HIC, don't you agree?


Why should it be more than a BS vs a interceptor.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1597 - 2012-03-14 15:46:31 UTC
Dasdraperma wrote:
Looks like Goons have forum CTA today, defending this nerf? :)


Who needs a CTA. You dont often get a much needed nerf that causes tears of this magnitude. Why I haven't seen bawwing like this since the last time titans got changed.
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1598 - 2012-03-14 15:48:41 UTC
Acwron wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
The amount of neutral PL/Raiden alts in this thread, desperately clinging to the entitled notion that they should be allowed to fly around in unkillable ships because they paid a little more isk, is amazing. When every other ship in the game can be killed by subcaps, but you drop titans and suddenly subcaps are meaningless. If 1600 people show up to take someone's space, and they can only field 200 guys, then THEY DO NOT DESERVE THAT SPACE. This is how the world works. You should not magically be allowed to pick space and control it because you can stick 50 guys into a super ship, and stand it up to 1600 people.


OMG, really? You are really, really disturbed son.
So we paid a little more iskie...just a little. A LITTLE ?
You come with 1600 maels and wanna kill 50 titans?

Man, I'd like to have what this guy smoked, seems to be good shite.


Yeah, that'd be approximately 1000 years of skill training wanting to kill your 100 years of skill training.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1599 - 2012-03-14 15:49:18 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
Andski wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
And lets be honest here a titan on its own atm can't even defend itself vs one dictor/HIC.


I think it's /fairly/ reasonable that a solo titan should be extremely vulnerable against a dictor or HIC, don't you agree?


Why should it be more than a BS vs a interceptor.


Anything that can fit a point/scram can tackle a battleship. Only a dictor/hictor can tackle a titan.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Crystal Wolf
Invision Hosting
#1600 - 2012-03-14 15:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Crystal Wolf
Andski wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
And lets be honest here a titan on its own atm can't even defend itself vs one dictor/HIC.


I think it's /fairly/ reasonable that a solo titan should be extremely vulnerable against a dictor or HIC, don't you agree?


This is agreeable a titan on its own should vulnerable it shouldn't be a case of a Dicotr/HIC just being a splattered fly on the titan's windshield as it were.

But the use of singular titans isn't what this discussion should be focusing on as it has been established that a singular titan doesn't pose a huge problem. The main focus here is titan blobs and attempting to produce an effective solution.

.