Ships & Modules

PL/Raiden continue to ignore all arguments to the contrary, and keep pretending that they're a battered alliance of 200 desperate people fighting 1600 goons, and the only thing saving them is their not-overpowred titan "equalizers".

honestly Titans should be like battlestars... give them Air Superiorty Fighters... max 10 that are designed to kill other fighters/FB...

OMG, really? You are really, really disturbed son.
So we paid a little more iskie...just a little. A LITTLE ?
You come with 1600 maels and wanna kill 50 titans?

Man, I'd like to have what this guy smoked, seems to be good shite.

tbh there's easier ways of relieving you of a titan than killing it

Do you really not realize that these two problems are related?
(it's also flatly wrong to say nobody uses caps.)

This is actually somewhat true. Strong drop does adjust things back to a broken state.

This is helpful, thank you so much.

To follow up on each of these intended roles, if I could ask you a little further on your thoughts how the current ship in your opinion will perform these roles.

a) jump bridging -- have you given any thought to increasing the jump range to compensate for recent HP nerfs and current combat role change to boost this role a bit more especially in regions with very large distances?

b) doomsdaying things -- currently every capital in game can tank a doomsday if fit for ti and if they can see it coming. In the future the situations where the doomsdays will likely be fired is going to be under TiDi load which will give the pilot sufficient reaction time to watch for DD and overload in time. With the metagame/fittings changing on battle field -- have you given thought to how balanced the current DD damage is for your intended role?

c) fleet boosting -- this is somewhat underused role today for the titan, mainly because it is rather restrictive in it's current implementation and because Tech 3 ships accomplish much the same at higher gang link bonuses without any of the restrictions associated with the titan. You can effectively only perform this job with a titan if you 1) know where the fight will happen and 2) own a control tower in the system. This limits it largely to defensive-only deployments.

In addition most FCs want to actually be positioned in the FC slot themselves in order to probe and warp to results as a fleet, which leaves the option to assign fleet bonuses. This in turn requires the ship to be in a position it can be gang warped by a rogue squad leader or accidentally warped by wing/fc. In addition -- the assigning of bonuses on TQ in my experience is very much a hit & miss -- unreliable at best.

Have you considered boosting the Titans role in this at all to match the gang link abilities of the Tech 3 ships together with the ship bonus? Are you looking at the problems associated with assigning fleet booster?

And lastly -- are you happy with the highly restrictive use of titans in the bonus role since it needs to physically be where the fleet is in order to give these bonuses? Are there plans to make this less restrictive and thus make the Titan be valuable for fleets outside of very few actual scenarios?

d) doing a decent job of killing capitals with their main guns.

OK, this one I find interesting. Mainly to assess your thougths as to how well you think the ship is able to achieve this role.

Let's take the Erebus as an example -- on combat field with capitals involved you will find every erebus with a EHP fit on (dmg control, 2x a-type eanm, 4x x-type hardener). It has named guns fit.

In this realistic fit on field -- the Erebus does 6219 DPS before implants.

In same scenario Moros will likely be fit with T2 siege/T2 mods and regular capital guns. It will likely be a non-coward fit with 3 magstabs.

In this realistic fit on field -- the Moros does 12201 DPS before implants.

The Erebus has ~22mil EHP while the Moros has 2.5mil EHP. Moros will lock the target in fraction of the time, the Erebus can DD any of the dreads every ~11 minutes (lock time included).

I'm a little... underwhelmed here with the turret DPS in the intended role as anticapital ship when compared to let's say a Supercarrier. Especially given the price tag of the fittings and the hull itself.

And that's taking into account the best titan on field which is able to fit sensor boosters to compensate with the lock time. I've not even dared to look at my poor Leviathan and if it can actually even fire a single DD before the fight is over since the lock time is likely to be... well...

What are you thoughts on how well the Titan will perform your intended role as a main gun damage dealer to capitals, given the damage output of easily replacable and available (not to mention insurable) Dreadnaught hulls?

And as a Leviathan owner, do you think I will ever be of any use in this role given the fact I cannot have any sensor boosters and my Torpedoes take a minute to travel to target (now multiply that with 20% TiDi)?



Will you be testing and asking for feedback prior to implementation on SiSi? Essentially, I'm asking if there will be an avenue for us to provide more comprehensive feedback to you based on actual numbers before you commit the changes.

... I will continue on points in next post thanks to forum :wordiness: limitations ))

You seem to have a perpetuum hangover, just like every other goon.

.... and continuing from previous post



I'm a little sad to hear this. Mainly because you obviously ARE considering the number of these ships for the purpose of balancing, but you will not consider the wider system numbers for same in regards to TiDi.

For example --I don't think you will tell me that 1 titan today is not balanced for combat, while I will agree strongly with you that 20 of them are. So if we are now (and rightly so) considering non-game mechanics (the number of them you bring) for balancing purposes, we surely must also consider the situations they are likely to be utilized?

The reality is that TiDi changes the game mechanics, and allows certain tactics to function effectively more efficiently given the additional time pilots have to react. In terms of Titans following are going to be the case:

1. Doomsdays will be much more easily spotted, and therefore the pilot of the targeted capital will have time to react and a) overload hardeners in order to tank the DD or b) if aligned warp out.

2. Missile based Titans will have their damage effectively mitigated by the 10 minute travel time to target.

3. Locking will take exponentially longer, thus allowing the locked pilots to react to time to damage by calling for reps prior to damage being applied.

I could go on, but essentially TiDi does change the game mechanics as we have seen already on TiDi. Don't get me wrong -- I think it's great, but since you are already taking into account how many of these ships people bring for game balancing -- all I'd ask is that you extend the same envelope to include the numbers people bring to field where these ships are typically used and the effect TiDi has on things such as Locking Speed, DD evasion and Capital Torpedoes/Cruise Missiles.



I appriciate this, but given the combat role of these ships -- I think you will find that without more significant changes to the ship you will either not go far enough with the change or you will effectively make them useless in the currently stated anti-capital combat role.

I really wish you will take the time to consider how to move these ships OUT of the current combat role, given the fact just how hard it has been to balance these ships in that role as you yourself state -- and give them an exciting new role that benefits the collective that owns them and gives the new subscribers to this game something to work towards in the long term.

Short term fixes have a nasty habit of turning into long term features, which simply serve as a time-delay for the problem at hand. And I think you will find there are too many of these things today in active use or in active build to be able to deal with this in any "quick fix" capacity without simply making the problem worse to solve in the long term.

Would you be happier with -75% instead of -50%?