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Markus Schulz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1481 - 2012-03-14 14:18:22 UTC
Ong wrote:
GF ccp, blobs just won eve Ugh

We're playing in different 'EVEs'?!
How 'bout "techno-league" supercapital blobs, which does not control?
Subcaps can be simpe controlled. Just find a friends or turn ur brain to "position on". :)
Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues
#1482 - 2012-03-14 14:20:30 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Dear Greyscale,

you do remember how we told you that your surgical adjustments to anomalies will kill 0.0 and you didn't listen so that you had to apologize afterwards? Please don't do this again. Yes supercaps need a proper role and balancing but making them useless simply because you don't have the ressources to do it properly is not the solution. Do at least the following:
Frigs < Cruisers < BC < BS < capitals < supercapitals
Cruisers can easily kill frigs --> BC can easily kill cruisers < BS can easily kill BCs (and here is the problem) capitals are almost useless against BS < Supercapitals can easily kill capitals.

Make Dreads good against BS and don't nerf the sensor strength of titans.



Dreadnaughts are primarily anti-structure tools, with anti-capital as a secondary role. The capital ships you're looking for to deal with battleships are carriers.


Cut the crap will you. This adjustment is a shortterm solution to stagger the whining of all the goons whom are unable to think outside the Alphadoctrine box. PL and RDN have given them easy solutions on how to kill titans. And yet they keep throwing drakes and maelstroms at the titans. So they go to devs and ask for help. And how surprising is it that CCP yet again does a half-assed hotifx that gimps the titans ability to work properly against anything. By the time you manage to clean your brown nose, goons will infact reach many of their objectives through sheer numbers. Nothing else will matter.

And again you prove that your "humble" attitude last year is worth nothing to those whom can actually fly supercaps as long as the voices from those who cant be arsed to get one is heard. RDN does not give out supercaps to its members. Losses are reimbursed however.

So basically you are shafting the people who has been working their arses off to achieve these ships. Yes im a bit pissed. Not because this patch affect us quite much, but because devs let goons control their game.
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1483 - 2012-03-14 14:20:41 UTC
Vile rat wrote:

Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything.


It must be broken completely before it can be fixed. You heard it hear first folks. Straight from the Goon Illuminati's mouth.
Sade Onyx
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1484 - 2012-03-14 14:21:07 UTC
Shouldnt Titans be renamed to Ultra-capitals? or Mega Capitals

The Word 'titan' isnt really an accurate description of what they are.
Sanders RUS
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1485 - 2012-03-14 14:22:44 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:

We would be totally happy with an outcome where people stop expanding their titan fleet. It shouldn't be coming as a huge surprise to anyone that, all other things being equal, we would prefer a situation where there were fewer titans in EVE.

People who're augmenting their fleet strength with supers we're OK with, and they should continue to be OK after this change. We're not happy with situations where supercaps are making up the bulk of the fleet strength. If that's becoming less viable, then this is a desirable outcome for us.


In other words your totally fine with titan pilots unsubscribing their accounts because you've made their ships not fun for them to fly. You're not throwing them any bones here to keep them flying the big ships that they are locked into so they should either sell it or moth ball it until you can devote development time. It saddens me that you're writing off your veteran players as acceptable losses.
Veinnail
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1486 - 2012-03-14 14:23:41 UTC
dearest CCP.

it is quite obvious over the past years that you've developed quite the gap in your capital ship trees. we need new capital ship classes. fill the void between dread-titan. I personally agree that titans are imbalanced, this is quite the heavy handed correction though.


make XXL turrets. and these XXL turrets will have the anti-capital attributes that you require without affecting the functionality of dreads. this will leave you plenty of breathing room for expansion in the capital ship trees, and even maybe the introduction of the XL control tower.
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1487 - 2012-03-14 14:23:56 UTC
Sade Onyx wrote:
Shouldnt Titans be renamed to Ultra-capitals? or Mega Capitals

The Word 'titan' isnt really an accurate description of what they are.


They should be renamed to space coffins because CCP just made sure that any good PVP alliance will die in them regardless because some goons whined.
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1488 - 2012-03-14 14:24:44 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Vile rat wrote:

Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything.


It must be broken completely before it can be fixed. You heard it hear first folks. Straight from the Goon Illuminati's mouth.



Look at the cute lil' newbie corp alt. Just wanna pat your head son.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1489 - 2012-03-14 14:25:22 UTC
Le Cardinal wrote:
Cut the crap will you. This adjustment is a shortterm solution to stagger the whining of all the goons whom are unable to think outside the Alphadoctrine box. PL and RDN have given them easy solutions on how to kill titans. And yet they keep throwing drakes and maelstroms at the titans. So they go to devs and ask for help. And how surprising is it that CCP yet again does a half-assed hotifx that gimps the titans ability to work properly against anything. By the time you manage to clean your brown nose, goons will infact reach many of their objectives through sheer numbers. Nothing else will matter.

And again you prove that your "humble" attitude last year is worth nothing to those whom can actually fly supercaps as long as the voices from those who cant be arsed to get one is heard. RDN does not give out supercaps to its members. Losses are reimbursed however.

So basically you are shafting the people who has been working their arses off to achieve these ships. Yes im a bit pissed. Not because this patch affect us quite much, but because devs let goons control their game.


it's not like this change should come at a surprise

/maybe/ basing your entire alliance around the concept of dogpiling all the high-skillpoint bittervets you can hoover up and ushering them into titans wasn't the most optimal plan

also - your alliance doesn't get its members into titans? yet you criticize GSF for not doing the same, while we heavily subsidize members who buy them? tell me all about how it's our tech income that gets RMTed.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1490 - 2012-03-14 14:25:46 UTC
Veinnail wrote:
dearest CCP.

it is quite obvious over the past years that you've developed quite the gap in your capital ship trees. we need new capital ship classes. fill the void between dread-titan. I personally agree that titans are imbalanced, this is quite the heavy handed correction though.


make XXL turrets. and these XXL turrets will have the anti-capital attributes that you require without affecting the functionality of dreads. this will leave you plenty of breathing room for expansion in the capital ship trees, and even maybe the introduction of the XL control tower.


I have been giving a lot of thought to the EVE ONLINE game mechanics and I agree 100% with this man. There should be a T2 titan class as well that is able to fit even larger turrets. It also seems like there should be a titan equivalent carrier that fields BS ship sized drones. Also a mining titan.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#1491 - 2012-03-14 14:26:21 UTC
This is bullsh!t and you all know it. A titan should be able to track all ships. It's biggest, therefore it has to be best.

--
Sincerely, Death Star.

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
GeneralDisturbed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1492 - 2012-03-14 14:26:46 UTC
The amount of neutral PL/Raiden alts in this thread, desperately clinging to the entitled notion that they should be allowed to fly around in unkillable ships because they paid a little more isk, is amazing. When every other ship in the game can be killed by subcaps, but you drop titans and suddenly subcaps are meaningless. If 1600 people show up to take someone's space, and they can only field 200 guys, then THEY DO NOT DESERVE THAT SPACE. This is how the world works. You should not magically be allowed to pick space and control it because you can stick 50 guys into a super ship, and stand it up to 1600 people.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1493 - 2012-03-14 14:27:27 UTC
just came to check if andski was still sperging

exciting life you lead br0
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1494 - 2012-03-14 14:27:30 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
This is bullsh!t and you all know it. A titan should be able to track all ships. It's biggest, therefore it has to be best.

--
Sincerely, Death Star.


nope

sincerely, me

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1495 - 2012-03-14 14:28:07 UTC
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
Based on simple geometry, at some point in your orbit of the anchor you will have a transversal of ZERO (or close enough to call it zero) and the signature radius of a carrier.
…which can be avoided with a bit more involved flying. The situation you describe has next to nothing to do with the presence of an MWD, and turning an MWD on does not simply make a target as easy to hit as a carrier.
Tobruk
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1496 - 2012-03-14 14:28:30 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Tobruk wrote:



Tell me about Being Objective CCP Grayscale you tool.

I can wait for your next announcement showing us all the brilliantly thought out counter to 800 maelstroms.



A calculator. So you can count the numbers of our enemies and realize this is a red herring since they bring as many on the field as we do.


maybe you should grab one and calculate how many dreads it takes to kill our titans and how long that would take given your current tech income.

but no you should just ignore the best and most viable counter to titans then expect CCP Sound-wave, and CCP Screegs to slobber your rod.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1497 - 2012-03-14 14:28:47 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
just came to check if andski was still sperging

exciting life you lead br0


watching your blues melt down in this thread has made my day ;p

keep spergin ;p

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1498 - 2012-03-14 14:29:23 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Vile rat wrote:

Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything.


It must be broken completely before it can be fixed. You heard it hear first folks. Straight from the Goon Illuminati's mouth.



Look at the cute lil' newbie corp alt. Just wanna pat your head son.


Just because I never paid 10 dollars to post in a forum in order to fly internet spaceships doesn't make me less of a subscriber to Eve. I don't need to join a corp in order to enjoy this game. I have seen your dumb tattoo so you have no grounds making fun of me.
Tobruk
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1499 - 2012-03-14 14:29:38 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
The amount of neutral PL/Raiden alts in this thread, desperately clinging to the entitled notion that they should be allowed to fly around in unkillable ships because they paid a little more isk, is amazing. When every other ship in the game can be killed by subcaps, but you drop titans and suddenly subcaps are meaningless. If 1600 people show up to take someone's space, and they can only field 200 guys, then THEY DO NOT DESERVE THAT SPACE. This is how the world works. You should not magically be allowed to pick space and control it because you can stick 50 guys into a super ship, and stand it up to 1600 people.


we should just get rid of all spaceship classes and have pods. whoever brings more wins.
BrokenBC
no tax's are us
#1500 - 2012-03-14 14:29:54 UTC
Tobruk wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Tobruk wrote:



Tell me about Being Objective CCP Grayscale you tool.

I can wait for your next announcement showing us all the brilliantly thought out counter to 800 maelstroms.



A calculator. So you can count the numbers of our enemies and realize this is a red herring since they bring as many on the field as we do.


maybe you should grab one and calculate how many dreads it takes to kill our titans and how long that would take given your current tech income.

but no you should just ignore the best and most viable counter to titans then expect CCP Sound-wave, and CCP Screegs to slobber your rod.



OOoo you sound mad.