Ships & Modules

Deal with it.

If you can't hold your space without using a group of 1600 zerglings with no effective counter in the game, something that is against everything eve has ever been about... maybe you shouldn't be holding any space. Has that thought occurred to you?

actually it was the chance for massive battles and the grand strategy of taking and holding entire solar systems that got me into eve in the first place.What part of MMORPG "Massively multiplayer online role-playing game" Dont you get?

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Please stay on topic.

Thank you,
Kreul Intentions

Sorry, docking games? If I'm repping shields/armor at a POS in my carrier, I can warp and dock in 31 seconds. That's 2 seconds faster than a Titan on grid can target me.

So what you are really saying (and I'm putting words in your mouth) - is that you don't want smaller groups with more ISK and SP than numbers to be able to have a meaningful impact on the battlefield anymore. Because let's look at this in reality.

Alliance X can get, oh, 200-300 folks in fleet, and they want to attack or defend a massive HP structure (Hi failed Dominion). The optimal way for them to do that is to have a significant number of supers and titans, along with a reasonable number of support. Let's play fun and say 50 super carriers and Titans and 150 support. They are attempting to take (or defend) assets from Alliance Y, which can get up to 1200 folks in fleet, but on a bad night it's only 400. If Alliance Y forms up in any form of alpha fleet, once they reach 150+ doctrine ships they can alpha strike a carrier (oh, and these are sub caps, so they can hit basically anything from a frigate on up). So let's take a bad night for alliance Y with only 150-200 alpha ships, 20-30 capitals and supers, and 200 drakes/rifters/whatever. Care to take odds on how long those amazing dictors/hictors and webs will survive for Alliance X? And, of course, you have to have "control" or at least the possibility of control on the battlefield before you commit your heavy weapons, otherwise you might as well just self destruct them and be done.

What you are doing is you are taking the smaller group with more ISK and SP and telling them they can't take or have strategic objectives in nullsec. Now I will say this once more - just so you understand where I'm coming from. Titans aren't balanced now. They aren't working well now. But what you are doing isn't a solution - but come April, when you roll it out, you are giving the largest powerblocs in EVE free reign, because there will be no counter to 1200 ships, except 1300 ships.

You damn well better be fixing how sov works in the summer, if you are going to give it all to them in the spring.

Tell me about Being Objective CCP Grayscale you tool.

I can wait for your next announcement showing us all the brilliantly thought out counter to 800 maelstroms.

Yes they should revert titans to the way they were originally added, AoE doomsdays coming through a kestrel cyno

sad lil pubbie

So dreads and supercaps are anti structure ships within the current nullsec warring. So titans are just supposed to sit around and wait for someone to shoot structures?

I feel that nerfing supers to uselessness is rather myopic will only lead to less dynamic gameplay. There needs to be an ability to counter titans, but fights should not be reduced to who can field the most subcaps. I think that is a poor direction especially for pilots who have spent years training into these ships and want them to be used. However, CCP seems ok with saying to the 800 or so titan pilots that they would much rather keep their subcap customers happy (even though must of them have no clue about capital combat or why a titan could blap a MWDing drake).

To me this general direction is bad for eve online, tracking probably needed a nerf, but now it'll take 18 seconds to even lock another titan with three cormack sebos's (Who the hell balances around 3 meta 14 sebos?). Base Titan scanres will be a third of a sieged dreadnaught. I feel that taken together with the previous nerfs CCP is driving titan pilots to mothball their ships. Theres really no significant reason to fly a titan and the only thing they have to look forward to is some vague promise of changes down the road. Well Ive seen how long it takes CCP to get back to things like gallente ship balancing or faction warfare and Im not to keen on waiting around that long for titans to be useful again.

This wasnt something so critical that it needed to be addressed outside of a thoughtful look at the ship and its role in fleets.

The question is if 'making friends' is something that should be encouraged by the games mechanics or 'sitting in large ships that **** on everything without taking any real risk'.

I'd personally go for the 'making friends' thing but if you rather look down on everyone else in the game cause you saved up enough ISK to sit in a giant internet space phallus that's fine as well. just don't wack it in my face while I'm just trying to make friends here .. if you know what I mean.

And they realized it was bullshit.



And they realized it was bullshit.



Not really, every move has been in this direction. It would have been better had they flat out said what the purpose was ages ago but it's not like we've been quiet about the subject.




Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything.