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Incoming titan adjustments

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Acwron
Meet The Fockers
#1301 - 2012-03-14 06:43:26 UTC
Pudgy McFudge wrote:
Look how gay I am.


Gayswarm.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1302 - 2012-03-14 06:44:41 UTC
Hey Acwron I guess I'm giving you a bit of a hard time since it looks like you actually use your Ragnarok to support subcaps rather than in the middle of the nonexistent Vera Cruz titan blob, but you should blame the guys who used their titans in the most risk-averse fashion imaginable rather than the players who advocated for reductions in their capabilities.

also stop blaming the mittani because you fell for a scam, i'm sure you've botted that isk right back up anyway

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Truce Billis
Sword of Glory
#1303 - 2012-03-14 06:45:39 UTC
Pudgy McFudge wrote:
Look how gay I am.

I too am gay.
Acwron
Meet The Fockers
#1304 - 2012-03-14 06:47:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
Hey Acwron I guess I'm giving you a bit of a hard time since it looks like you actually use your Ragnarok to support subcaps rather than in the middle of the nonexistent Vera Cruz titan blob, but you should blame the guys who used their titans in the most risk-averse fashion imaginable rather than the players who advocated for reductions in their capabilities.

also stop blaming the mittani because you fell for a scam, i'm sure you've botted that isk right back up anyway


Would you bet all your isk on it? CCP is the 3rd party, ok ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1305 - 2012-03-14 06:48:53 UTC
Acwron wrote:
Andski wrote:
Hey Acwron I guess I'm giving you a bit of a hard time since it looks like you actually use your Ragnarok to support subcaps rather than in the middle of the nonexistent Vera Cruz titan blob, but you should blame the guys who used their titans in the most risk-averse fashion imaginable rather than the players who advocated for reductions in their capabilities.

also stop blaming the mittani because you fell for a scam, i'm sure you've botted that isk right back up anyway


Would you bet all your isk on it? CCP is the 3rd party, ok ?


I put my deposit in "CCP Engineering Alliance"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1306 - 2012-03-14 06:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Spurty wrote:
Titans no longer FOTM shocker.

New FOTM, bring x 3 to x 5 the number of ships to every fight.

Can we please get hit points on ALL ships 1/2'ed or even dropped to 1/3 now (don't change anything else!)

Feel free to balance this by increasing structure hitpoints.

Happy days :-0

hey ncdot guy
no more hotdropping lone BCs in provi with your supercrap fleet
(NCdot at its prime)

were titans/supers the only viable counter for lone BCs too?
Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
#1307 - 2012-03-14 07:00:15 UTC
And now this thread is back going places.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1308 - 2012-03-14 07:00:56 UTC
DelightSucker wrote:
Congratz CCP you just made sure that Numbers is all in EVE again.

way to **** up your own game.


So being blobbed by 50 Titans was OK? Isn't that the numbers game?
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1309 - 2012-03-14 07:05:21 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Titans no longer FOTM shocker.

New FOTM, bring x 3 to x 5 the number of ships to every fight.

Can we please get hit points on ALL ships 1/2'ed or even dropped to 1/3 now (don't change anything else!)

Feel free to balance this by increasing structure hitpoints.

Happy days :-0


This is coming from the guys who blob supercaps and call themselves elite.

Titans have ruined EVE for long enough, time to suck it up and do things like everyone else.
Titan Keeper 22
Doomheim
#1310 - 2012-03-14 07:06:00 UTC
You 90% of Goonswarm/pets that are arguing against the people opposing the titan nerf are just talking about the same thing over and over.

Maybe it's time to stop the useless arguments and stop the trolling. You can always use your own/other alliance forum to troll; I bet there are plenty of space to do so. Trolling will not help with anything. But feeding them, will obviously make things worse.

and here are couple of my thoughts;

- CCP employee's and the CSMs aren't all geniuses; you think they are all from IVY League and with 150IQ+? If so, then we'd be glad to have your decison about this. They should not think of themselves nor listen only to those people wanting the nerf. As a titan pilot myself, I am not against the nerf entirely, but surely am disagreing about the fact that this is all going one-sided for the moment. You people can't be making decisions like communists. Wherever the idea came out from, balance it out evenly. Due to so many opposition on this adjustment fix, I am pretty sure that there are other better ways to improove this current situation.(should look back at what you did/ when you were working on supercarrier nerf and the shield carrier fix; you listened to everyone, made a great desicion/patch, and the feedback/result came back positive)



p.s. this one's to help those trolls talking about posting in alts out; most of Goonswarm and their pets' titan pilots are obviously posting with their alts to argue about the nerf then come back to troll about it. this is common sense.(PL Raiden NC. have no reason to post with their alts; why would they bother protecting their opposing side? oh unless they're planning to join the other side later on that is.)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1311 - 2012-03-14 07:10:05 UTC
hey look words by an npc corp member

*dumps post in trash bin*

*roleplays*
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1312 - 2012-03-14 07:10:11 UTC
Titan Keeper 22 wrote:
p.s. this one's to help those trolls talking about posting in alts out; most of Goonswarm and their pets' titan pilots are obviously posting with their alts to argue about the nerf then come back to troll about it. this is common sense.(PL Raiden NC. have no reason to post with their alts; why would they bother protecting their opposing side? oh unless they're planning to join the other side later on that is.)


Raiden guy wrote:
Also stop crying in the EVEo forums, its exactly what the goons are craving for. If you need to go mental, do it with out of alliance alt

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1313 - 2012-03-14 07:11:54 UTC
ITT BOB lost to metagaming, for who knows which time.
Crystal Wolf
Invision Hosting
#1314 - 2012-03-14 07:13:41 UTC
Roffle Lawler wrote:
Powers Sa wrote:
Crystal Wolf wrote:

From a political standpoint CCP are effectively changing the balance of power towards alliances who can just field hundreds of subcaps. The alliances who rely on supers to augment their fleet strength have been forgotten and just pushed aside. This change definitely needs to go back to the drawing board and CCP need to take factors like this into account.

The CFC has roughly 28180 characters ( source ). We are able to organize our opinions and express them through CSM votes. The CFC has a generally organized set of opinions due to our culture. We are able to mobilize effectively in the CSM.

If I'm just eyeballing the dotlan numbers on the 0.0 sov holding (therefore titan-having) player base, then the CFC has the majority opinion when it comes to how Titan roles should work. Who do you think CCP is going to listen to? Surely not you unorganized crying publords.



What is the effective counter to 28180 votes? How do we keep Goonies from controlling the CSM, running the DEVs and ruining our game?

Why does this game have to be about numbers? How do we get rid of the Goons IWIN button when they can just out-vote everyone?


Listening to the "majority" usually does make sense however all CCP are doing is hurting one group of the playerbase by aiding another. Granted it would be almost impossible to create a solution that both groups are happy with but they can do better than this.

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Pharon Reichter
R.I.P. Legion
Fanatic Legion.
#1315 - 2012-03-14 07:16:38 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Andski wrote:
Bozl1n wrote:
Under this system the dreads will get a good 30 secs before the titans even lock target - assumeing all 25 titans shot at different targets ud lose 25 odd to doomsday? You have an age before they are ready to fire again

And yea it might have been replaced straight away - but kill ennuf of them and they wouldnt be replaced so easy.

I AGREE that titans should not be able to pwn subcaps wholesale - but at the same time you should be in the correct ships for the job urself, which it seems you havnt been?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12203172

yep wrong ships



Look at that. Out of all the fights in the last few months where the titan blobbing group has instantly won by dropping titans. They managed to lose ONE TITAN. In months. Despite dropping them on fleets of hundreds of battleships every other day, and forcing them to run away because they cannot hurt any of the titans onfield, no matter their numbers. Clearly nothing is wrong here.



LOL none of the titans have even been targeted in any of the fights. How do you expect to kill something without locking it up ? In the only fight you actually brought dreads you killed a titan. But don't let that stand in your thinking that titans are invulnerable ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1316 - 2012-03-14 07:17:12 UTC
Crystal Wolf wrote:
Listening to the "majority" usually does make sense however all CCP are doing is hurting one group of the playerbase by aiding another. Granted it would be almost impossible to create a solution that both groups are happy with but they can do better than this.

only one ship class should be relevant in eve online

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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BrokenBC
no tax's are us
#1317 - 2012-03-14 07:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: BrokenBC
Guy's we misunderstood grath!!! He is concerned they didn't nerf titans enough.Acording to him they will still do exactly what CCP says they shouldn't be able to do.I suppose they should get nerfed a bit more then.:) Nuke them from orbit,it's the only way to be sure.Personally I hope they continue to be sub cap blaping machines after this nerf, So the summer patch will see them unable to lock a sub cap at all.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1318 - 2012-03-14 07:52:23 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Adding a "minimum sig radius" attribute to turrets, below which damage would fall off regardless of tracking

Too big a change and more technical work than we actually needed to solve the problem.
All turrets already have sig resolution attribute. This is already used in the damage calculation, you just need to double it for XL weapons.
That doesn't do what Greyscale is talking about.

The sigres is just a divisor for tracking. Doubling it has the exact same effect as halving the tracking.


On that topic, I just want to inject a very delayed facepalm at those who previously in the thread tried to claim that orbiting an achor wouldn't create two points per revolution where transversal was zero. What is it with people and maths these days? Ugh
Sardaros
Dunc Are
#1319 - 2012-03-14 08:09:17 UTC
NC. comment in local:
[08:06:04] Soho Torres > coward in your carriers
lololo
Powers Sa
#1320 - 2012-03-14 08:09:33 UTC
Titan Keeper 22 wrote:

- CCP employee's and the CSMs aren't all geniuses; you think they are all from IVY League and with 150IQ+? If so, then we'd be glad to have your decision about this. They should not think of themselves nor listen only to those people wanting the nerf. As a titan pilot myself, I am not against the nerf entirely, but surely am disagreeing about the fact that this is all going one-sided for the moment. You people can't be making decisions like communists. Wherever the idea came out from, balance it out evenly. Due to so many opposition on this adjustment fix, I am pretty sure that there are other better ways to improve this current situation.(should look back at what you did/ when you were working on supercarrier nerf and the shield carrier fix; you listened to everyone, made a great desicion/patch, and the feedback/result came back positive)


Most of the large alliance leadership happen to be extremely smart and successful in real life.
Shadoo (leader of PL): Architect-ed HP's Sharepoint deployment. Also a published expert on Microsoft Sharepoint. While incredibly smug, but he's earned it. He just so happens to be smarter than you. He posted a well structured rebuttal that voices the frustration that most of you terrible pubbies have. If you'd take a page out of his book and intelligently structure your rebuttals then CCP would actually give a crap about what you have to say.
Trebor (CSM) - Conceived Wizardry . He's a large reason you have RPG video games. He's on the CSM and smarter than you.
The Mittani (Chairman for life) - Retired high priced Washington, D.C. hot shot lawyer. motherf***ing king of space. Has been the most intelligently vocal mouthpiece of the largest player bloc (28,000 strong). Just going out on a limb here, but I'd venture to guess he's smarter than you.
Grath Teklien - I don't know what grath does in real life, but I hope he's a federal judge, because that would be amazing and utterly priceless. He may be wrong, but at least he commits to defend his position through multiple pages of dribble. He's smarter than you.
CCP Soundwave - Funnier, wittier, and smarter than you. Unfortunately he says UHHHHHHHH a lot, but I won't hold it against him, because he's probably thinking in viking and translating it to English.
Seleene didn't cut it at CCP, but he's probably smarter than you.

I don't really care enough to keep going, but I guess my point is: Post on your main, or get out.

P.S. I just spellchecked and fixed your post for you. I guess I'm smarter than you too.

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