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AetomHaert Mother
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2012-03-13 15:39:18 UTC
So another case of "Goons don't have it, CCP needs to nerf it"

Goiod job mittens, keep up the good work.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#262 - 2012-03-13 15:39:47 UTC
AetomHaert Mother wrote:
So another case of "Goons don't have it, CCP needs to nerf it"

Goiod job mittens, keep up the good work.


Pretty sure our supercapital fleet far outnumbers that of the prestigious Ignore This. alliance.

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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#263 - 2012-03-13 15:40:07 UTC
Is it just me who thinks its moronic in terms of logic to have massive supership that gets laughed at by subcaps.

Tbh the whole logic behind EVEs "ship has only 1 sized weapons" concept is ******** as hell

Sure its game balance but damn its still stupid as hell.


Its like Deathstar rolling around with only its main planetdestroying weapon and nothing else.
Kigar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#264 - 2012-03-13 15:40:48 UTC
I think CCP should remove explosion velocity penalty in Siege too.
Tracking: Titan = Dreadnought
Expl. velocity: Leviathan > Pheonix/Nagl.
(Anyway Dreadnoughts cant use capital launchers versus subcaps, even with bonus 50% expl. velocity)
Ikoma Sunblazer
Einherjar Rising
#265 - 2012-03-13 15:41:04 UTC
testobjekt wrote:
Ikoma Sunblazer wrote:
@ CCP Greyscale.

Did you intend to nerf shield titans even more?

A fully shield tanked titan without sensor boosters takes 64 seconds to lock another titan, god knows how long to lock a capital. Add in TiDi and, well you get the picture. Does that seem reasonable to you?



Please explain why TiDi influences the situation outside of player perception.


It doesn't, I was using it as an example of a possible situation that would make the problem even more aggravating. The fact remains that it takes a titan more than a minute to lock another titan. Does that seem normal to you?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#266 - 2012-03-13 15:42:11 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
Is it just me who thinks its moronic in terms of logic to have massive supership that gets laughed at by subcaps.

Tbh the whole logic behind EVEs "ship has only 1 sized weapons" concept is ******** as hell

Sure its game balance but damn its still stupid as hell.


Its like Deathstar rolling around with only its main planetdestroying weapon and nothing else.


Balance is sort of about not having anything that can effectively solo anything and everything in the game.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Prideof USA
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#267 - 2012-03-13 15:42:30 UTC
Here to collect PL kids' tear.
Hitokiri Battoesai
THORN Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#268 - 2012-03-13 15:42:46 UTC
Well I guess I was right to worry that CCP would over nerf the titan....Shocked
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#269 - 2012-03-13 15:43:18 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
Is it just me who thinks its moronic in terms of logic to have massive supership that gets laughed at by subcaps.

Tbh the whole logic behind EVEs "ship has only 1 sized weapons" concept is ******** as hell

Sure its game balance but damn its still stupid as hell.


Its like Deathstar rolling around with only its main planetdestroying weapon and nothing else.


I support the death star analogy. A lone rifter should be able to destroy a titan.
Suzdal
Red Node
#270 - 2012-03-13 15:43:52 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Suzdal wrote:

omfg so you want us to believe that the fuckton of B isk you generate per month with the tech is entirely spent in drakes for the pilots? LolLol
you should know that all major alliances have reinbursement programs. for instance all our fleet ships are for free and still we have the isk to build a huge supercap fleet.

i remember a few years ago you had the biggest titan fleet. we got into a system and all our fleet was doomsdayed by just one of your titan pilots. we lost everything while you were doing a titan conga and we did not moan. we just adapted to the new situation. now one question for you: what have you done with all those titans?


No, we provide peacetime (not in fleet) reimbursements as well. You wanna just roam around doing whatever? Sure, why not use our tech money to help. We invest in our people down to the little dude in a rifter, we don't just cater to the veteran so he can never log in again.


of course my corp also reinburses roam ships to some extent. how much that reimbursement is depends on what each corp chooses to do with their isk. the point here is that with the fuckton of tech moons you have, there is enough money for that and for building a huge supercap fleet.

so, we are back at the beginning. what do you do will the hundreds B isks you make each month out of the tech moons you have? and what has happened with the dozens of titans you had in 2010?
Anita1
Meinungsfreiheit
#271 - 2012-03-13 15:45:08 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Hi everyone,

We're not happy with the effectiveness of large groups of titans against subcapital ships, so we're making some adjustments to titans and to XL turrets.

This is a quick, surgical adjustment to solve a specific issue we have identified.



WE or do you mean goons are not happy and let me guess the issue is goons crying too much cause they are too scared to use their own titans

Lol great work ccp
Valearx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#272 - 2012-03-13 15:45:44 UTC
I get the feeling that some people are extremely mad.
David Magnus
#273 - 2012-03-13 15:46:37 UTC
Xython wrote:
David Magnus wrote:
The wait is over, just as The Mittani promised so many months ago, the supercap nerf is complete:
http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/supercaps


Man, you weren't paying attention, were you? Re-read the op, this is not over. There are still nerfs inbound.

Complete, he says. Hah. Adorable pubbie.


You are welcome to re-read the op as well.
No Titans are not "done" and there will probably be an adjustment in role and a complete overhaul in the future.

As far as "nerfs" go, this is pretty much a complete nerf to Titans vs all but the most ******** of subcaps.
Short of not being able to lock subcaps at all, there isn't anywhere left to go.

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/fight-us-maybe

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/winterupdate

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/supercaps

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/pandemiclegion
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#274 - 2012-03-13 15:46:41 UTC
Anita1 wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Hi everyone,

We're not happy with the effectiveness of large groups of titans against subcapital ships, so we're making some adjustments to titans and to XL turrets.

This is a quick, surgical adjustment to solve a specific issue we have identified.



WE or do you mean goons are not happy and let me guess the issue is goons crying too much cause they are too scared to use their own titans

Lol great work ccp


so you're saying that the only counter to titans is more titans?

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#275 - 2012-03-13 15:47:21 UTC
Chad VanGaalen wrote:

Drake, MWD fit with T2 Heavies and 2x LSE: 3.16k signature
Archon: 2.92k signature

This game is going to hell.

Maybe CCP needs to improve MWDs, no sig radius bonus when used ?
Ikoma Sunblazer
Einherjar Rising
#276 - 2012-03-13 15:47:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ikoma Sunblazer wrote:
Dunno if troll but for a proper shield tank you need the use of mid and lowslots.
Then the lack of a sensor booster isn't really your problem, is it?


Which is why I asked CCP Greyscale about this problematic concerning shield titans in particular. You done with your useless commentary yet?
Machine Delta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#277 - 2012-03-13 15:48:13 UTC
Many posts here by my (soon to be) former alliance lauding this change.
Yet none of them see the issue with what we've become.

Too bad that Raiden. (BoB) is going to fall apart with this nerf. Sad
I can only imagine the frustration they must have with this irony.
Truly disgusting that CCP has caved (again) to the CSM.
Alas, this system was designed to prevent corruption, not enable it.
Now we just have to sit back and watch what happens to those who cannot adapt.
Hahn Super Dry
Doomheim
#278 - 2012-03-13 15:51:15 UTC
Jita Bloodtear wrote:
What is the intended role for titans?

Fleet boosters?
Logistical fleet bridging?
Anti-capital weapons?
Anti-structure weapons?
Anti-subcap blapers?

Please clarify what role the titan is meant to serve, and why it's broken.


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BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#279 - 2012-03-13 15:51:35 UTC
Andski wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Titan pilots make up .002% of the player population, if we assume 350k players and ~730 titans according to Diagoras' tweets.


So titan pilots don't have more accounts, and btw titans do not shoot sub caps if there are caps on field FYI.

I understand why you want this to happen, but don't tell me just because you will not commit that you can not. 92D.





let's be generous and assume that every titan pilot has 4 accounts, that's still insignificant


Might be insignificant, but how many the players in eve have the titans as their goal in EVE. I know I did.

Well I made it, so hope you get a lot of subscriptions out of pissing on some of your oldest supporters..

"change the mechanics of the game don't nurf anything a drake can't kill"

"why not make the titan/supers untouchable by sub caps no damage from sub cap guns"
Gerdan BloodELF
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#280 - 2012-03-13 15:53:40 UTC
Valearx wrote:
I get the feeling that some people are extremely mad.


Everybody is mad. Im a titan pilot (come at me bro's) and all sides have valid points. What i want is CCP is not to do a half ass'd job and leave it unfinished for 5 years like so many other things. I'm quite happy with nerfing titans to a certain extent but this feels like a sledgehammer jerk reaction to a group of people yelling loudly when a more balanced and less short sited approach is required.

I don't have an answer but i don't believe this set of changes is it, well at least not in its current form. Is this even on Sisi for testing and feedback yet? or is this a done deal? I believe these changes are too big and have a wider impact than people realize yet.