EVE General Discussion

Ok lets point them out.

Suicide ganking miners can make you more money then pvping in low sec is one example.
The motivation to go into null sec compared to the risk and the downside of going there is also one of the reason why the current system fails.

And saying that it is fun to go into null sec to blow up ships is not really a valid reason.

Sure there is loot in null sec like faction loot only you wont be the only to try and get that, so the risk vs the isk you make isnt compared to the risk for the same amount of isk in high sec.

You can be in incursions all day and probably make more isk without losing your ship and without giving up +4+5 implant skill training speed.

This.

I was kind of wondering how these guys got four ganks (that I know of) off the same undock. You'd think these Tengu pilots would notice a stranger sitting on the undock, or check local every so often to see if there was someone they didn't recognize, or even see if there was chatter in local, or hell, just noticed that there was a ******* Tengu wreck on the undock.

Some people...

are obviously botting.

Wow, so CONCORD must the allowed to blow up your ship, but you are allowed to quickly strip off the guns to save them. That's amazing, considering how much the guns cost compared to the hull/other modules.

You're making excuses for lack of attention. There are several other things that can help you determine whether you are in danger of being ganked, but they require you to actually pay attention to the game. Bots don't pay attention to the things an alert human being does.

Aw, c'mon, that's just not fair!! People should just be able to max out their mining skillz and not have to worry about any other skillz in this game!!! EveO needz some more nerfing!! No shooting at anyone without written prior consent!! Consentual peeveepee only, demmit!!!


(ps: let's see how many idjuts think I'm serious)

Personally I think that suicide ganking as a game mechanic is fine as it stands currently. I don't believe its an "epidemic" issue really.

What we could do with however is a legitimate way of responding as part of the player policing aspects in the game to address the criminal activity, at least if anything to "increase" the level of PvP and add some needed fun back into the game. At least that seems to be one of the messages I'm getting in this thread. So ...

For PvP and like to encourage more of it?

Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume?

You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in EvE where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve?

Then vote: Bounty Hunting for CSM7.

Fair has nothing to do with it. You blow up a ship, their are consequences. There are consequences for you, consequences for the victim and consequences for the market. Unfortunately the unseen hand of economics has decided that it is going to beat you senseless until you stop blowing up so many haulers/barges. Inflation will stop, once it makes suicide ganking non-viable. Until it does an increasing risk premium will get built into prices.

I'm fine by this, but then I also opt that missions only give you 10 ISK as a reward, asteroid belts should be stripped from empire and incursions banned to low-sec.

For those that don't like suicide gankers, I found the ideal game for you

ps: You see how serious I am

Yeah ive heard this arguement many, many times, and completely disagree. There are tons of players that live in high sec, and enjoy playing eve for all the things that aren't pvp. Remember the term "pvp" isn't unique to eve. Its a term used in all mmo's to describe situations where players are fighting against players. Whereas its true that eve is unique in the sense that everything is player driven, such as the economy, that doesnt mean that everyone is doing pvp similtaniously all the time. I've got friends that dont even undock, as crazy as that sounds, prefectly happy playing the market and making insane spreadsheets to add their crazy-high isk levels. He laughs at such arguments, saying how awesome he is at pvp everytime he makes a bunch of mining vessles.

For pvp to happen in eve, you need ships exploding, simple as. Its the mentaility of low and null-sec players constantly screaming "pvp only game!" while blowing up mostly defenceless targets in high-sec that have no interest in that side of the game that is ultimately harming eve's growth. What reason do carebears have to naturally advance to other areas under these circumstances?

I guess you guys argue so strongly to justify these actions because you love their tears, cause it makes you easy isk, and they they dont tend to shoot back. Well i guess you can give yourself a nice big pat on the back for being so awesome.

Personally i think eve is awesome because it allows both sides of this agreument to enjoy the game. Who cares what makes you love eve, as long as you keep playing and paying. But many people on these forums seem determined to attack those that dont share their narrow view of eve.

And no, as usual, i have to put in the standard "im not a carebear living in empire" addition, just to avoid flamage. Personally, i love a bit of pvp!

I mean basically this whole thread can be summarized as, "I want to make big profits without much risk or work." Well, there's a way to do that, and it's called scamming. Go for it.