EVE General Discussion

Actually in terms of seeing a player twice is more common in wow, as you are only playing with a little fraction of the players, even if it has 12 million subs one is actually playing with 5.000-15.000 players per server unlike in EVE with only 1 server.

Thats one of the great things about eve - one massive universe, so if you want to meet or play with more people then eve is actually bigger than wow :)

You have a point, but I'm more talking about LFR and LFD system which is about putting angry kids together to try have a ***** fight about dps lol.

Also people on a lot of wow servers spend more time trolling trade chat then playing the game... I would know I troll them on a day to day thing to keep my self from been bored lol.

Until we grow bored and leave the game as there is no endgame for hisec, no endgame for soloers, and no endgame for people with a life

Then of course, if a player got a life, or don't feel like making new friends who can stab his back for free, or think that losing his means to have fun is not fun at all, then such player should not be playing EVE... and they aren't, actually. They are leaving the game almost as fast as new players subscribe, thus EVE doesn't grows.

There is no endgame for -anyone-anywhere-. Its a Sandbox. Did you have an End-game when you were playing in the sand box as a kid?

You build your castles, dig your tunnels, roll marbles around your empire and if the other kid had flashy Tonka trucks, you'd go over there and stomp his castle down

What you find fun in the sandbox is not what others find fun in the sandbox.

But the main reason that people stopped moving out to null-sec is:

- Not understanding how to survive out there, or earn ISK.
- Not wanting to play 23x7 (which is mostly a myth).
- Null-sec and w-space income potential has not kept up with other areas of the game.
- Not everyone wants to play the blob vs blob game.
- It all feels "settled".

CCP needs to look at the game balance again. Add more minerals (in total) to the ABC ores to make them better, revisit the income potentials in null-sec and w-space, add more things to the exploration drop tables in null-space / w-space, etc.

Or add more territory. The last territory expansion was the drone regions in 2007 and the w-space regions in 2009 or so. There's been no new territory added to the map since then. Blow the map out, add a dozen new null-sec regions around the edges of the map, which would make it less likely that you can get from one side of the map to another quickly. Triple the number of w-space systems. Encourage a new land-rush.

When my daughter put her gold fish in a bigger tank... it grew!

No. Not “still”. We're back up to 50k, from the just-over-40k that Incarna caused, and it's because of (not despite) the excellent issue-focused expansion that came out.

No, that's what caused the crash down to 40k. What needs to happen is to give us WiS while simultaneously giving us constant touches and changes to FiS… and they're apparently not able to do that.

Speaking for myself, EVE is much slower-paced than other MMOs. Some other MMOs are more grindy, but their pace is typically faster. That is, the more you grind, the faster you progress. EVE's real-time training is a major stumbling block for most people.

For example, when I first looked at Ishtar, and saw it would take me 57 days JUST to be able to fly it, without any supporting or weapons still training at all? That's crazy. Show me an MMO where you have to wait 57 days real time for anything. Most other MMOs you hit "endgame" with 6-10 days played - that is have access, at least theoretically, to the best gear in the game.

My first few days in EVE were actually fun. Skill training took from 10 mins to a few hours at most. But then you start hitting skills that take 21+ days, which feels like a plateau, and pushing through it while being acutely aware that nothing you do can speed it up is a bummer.

Yes, I know, there's a general view that everyone these days is looking for instant gratification, and that's what killed WoW (no it wasn't, it was killed by Activision just like Bioware was killed by EA) and blah blah blah. But you have to remember that it was supposed to be a GAME, and people play games for FUN. And honestly, for whom is it fun to wait 30+ days real time to get access to new stuff? I get the whole "EVE is a hobby" thing though, but that's also partially what keeps this game's population from taking off.

I mean, graphically, EVE is probably the best MMO out there today. The amount of detail and quality of it is pretty astounding. Character creator? One of the best, if not THE best, available in an MMO today. If the game itself wasn't so horribly tedious and boring at times, I feel population could have skyrocketed ages ago.

I also don't feel that the whole "risk vs reward" is what's keeping people away. it's part of it, yes, but seeing as 60% of players are in high-sec anyhow and never leave it, what risk is there for them outside of suicide ganks? None.

You dont understand.

It is not loosing that is fun.
* It is accumulating riches and avoiding loss when there is a threat to your doing or someone wants to kill you, it gives a sense of accomplishemts that you did something despite of circumstances.
* Or denying riches to others


- Hi sec is totally stripped of that thus its boring and people quit fast, most people these days only care about instant gratification not growth in any sense whatsoever. It goes in RL as much as in game