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Where will my mins come from?
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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-03-11 16:28:08 UTC
I know where im getting my minerals from.

A while ago i volunteered to work for the mentaly handicapped association and i taught a bunch of ******** kids to mine all day long in EVE.

I then buy them from them at about half the cost and inform their carers that they are have made great strides in becoming socially integrated people.


So im doing my bit for the community and they are helping me with my extensive building programme

Win win
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
BigCountry
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2012-03-11 16:30:25 UTC
Once alloys are rmoved... unless there is a substantial plan to supplement the decrease of minerals hitting the market ... Eve is gonna break.. Yes , more people will start mining ... but that still will not be enough to recover from the sudden drop in mineral supply.... There are no concrete numbers but I speculate atleast 60% of the low end minerals come from alloys ...(and thats being conservative) ... And I reach this number based off the time it takes for miners to bring in ore to refine versus how fast you cna acquire alloys.... this will have no affect on high - ends since they are not driven by alloys... the drop in high ends is almost completely due to the dominion addition of the upgradeable hidden belts in 0.0

I am telling everyone i know , if they have trit , horde it , once CCP removes alloys trit will easily hit 7 isk/unit ... but deep down , I can see it hitting double digits....
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#23 - 2012-03-11 16:31:57 UTC
^ Its not right to abuse the goons in that fashion.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#24 - 2012-03-11 16:33:23 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I know where im getting my minerals from.

A while ago i volunteered to work for the mentaly handicapped association and i taught a bunch of ******** kids to mine all day long in EVE.

I then buy them from them at about half the cost and inform their carers that they are have made great strides in becoming socially integrated people.


So im doing my bit for the community and they are helping me with my extensive building programme

Win win



I'm guessing that you taught them how to post in EVE GD too, because that would sure explain a lot of the threads and posters we see around here. .



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#25 - 2012-03-11 16:35:40 UTC
It is barely an idea, Aqriue, and it is substantially less than wonderful

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-11 16:45:14 UTC
So, your complaining that botting is going, minerals wont all come from one source (drone regions) and that mining will once again be a proffesion worthy of players time?

Thats sort of odd.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2012-03-11 16:48:59 UTC
BigCountry wrote:
I am telling everyone i know , if they have trit , horde it , once CCP removes alloys trit will easily hit 7 isk/unit ... but deep down , I can see it hitting double digits....
…and none of that is bad, nor will it in any way “break” EVE. The overproduction capacity of the economy is, let's say, substantial — it has dealt with disruptions of similar proportions before without much of a hickup.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#28 - 2012-03-11 16:49:16 UTC
*Smiles like a ****** at the great news*

The pie is a tautology
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#29 - 2012-03-11 16:50:20 UTC
Also, it's pretty funny that people fail to recognize that the mining profession is self-regulating :D

The pie is a tautology
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-03-11 16:51:37 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Also, it's pretty funny that people fail to recognize that the mining profession is self-regulating :D


Yeah, I mean gankers don't get a say in it at all. It's really really really hard to kill a hulk!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-03-11 16:55:39 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Also, it's pretty funny that people fail to recognize that the mining profession is self-regulating :D

Yeah, I mean gankers don't get a say in it at all.
Not much, no.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-03-13 03:08:13 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
Just wondering since:

- Most of the bots are gone
- Drone Mins are apparently going
- I haven't seen a hulk mining in months
- The few miners there are out there get regularly ganked
- Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money.
- EDIT: OH yeah and reprocessing got a kick in the teeth by CCP a while ago too

Someone needs to pick up a mining laser cus I'm sure as hell not doing it, ans I have ships ans Mods to build.


The boldy bits are fixing the underliney bits. This will balance itself out.


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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-03-13 03:14:15 UTC
Please stop making stupid topics.

/thread

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Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2012-03-13 03:22:31 UTC
I saw 6-7 hulks just today mining in high HIGH sec while I was running missions. Most of the bots are NOT gone, just a healthy chunk of them. I remember after the unholy wrath or fury or w/e the **** it was when implant prices skyrocketed. They leveled soon after a bit higher.

Drone mins were a mistake from day 1. The drone regions created a null sec power block that, because of its wealth and longevity, was nearly invincible. Too much isk from ratting and not mining reduced the desire and value for miners.

Oh, and since you are obviously a forum warrior and not a real player, there are PLENTY of miners mining and if the drone regions are bereft of their min drops, the miners will only increase.

No **** mining is dull, but that is separate from your argument here. People love dull//non-interactive **** if it makes money.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-03-13 03:26:16 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
Just wondering since:

- Most of the bots are gone
- Drone Mins are apparently going
- I haven't seen a hulk mining in months
- The few miners there are out there get regularly ganked
- Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money.
- EDIT: OH yeah and reprocessing got a kick in the teeth by CCP a while ago too

Someone needs to pick up a mining laser cus I'm sure as hell not doing it, ans I have ships ans Mods to build.


Mining is inherently relaxing and there are many more click-intensive ways to make a little bit more money for the effort.

Reprocessing is fine. In fact, I'd say reprocessing needs a good whack with the nerf bat (why do navies have better quality refineries than mining corporations?).

Mining's fine. As mineral prices go up, more miners will get their fleets out of mothballs to make some easy ISK.


I dunno. There's nothing relaxing about waiting for the inevitable gank. No one is safe in a hulk.

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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-03-13 04:47:10 UTC
My best guess, mineral prices stabilize when mining hit 110m isk/hour. That's going to be an hell of a ride getting there though (and not going to do anything good for the game).
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#37 - 2012-03-13 06:39:41 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
My best guess, mineral prices stabilize when mining hit 110m isk/hour. That's going to be an hell of a ride getting there though (and not going to do anything good for the game).


Which, for null-sec ABCs, assuming that you're talking pulling in 150k m3 of ore per hour (per hulk, with orca/rorqual boosts) would put the price target for ABCs at about 730 ISK/m3. We're only at around 267 / 287 / 353 for the ABCs right now. That means that the ABCs will have to at least double in value. To do that, you'd need mineral prices at around:

Trit - 6.67 (but that makes Veld worth 200 ISK/m3, which is probably not sustainable).

Nocx - 800-900 ISK/u. Which it hasn't seen, ever. The best it hit since Dec 2009 was around 550. But demand is a lot higher then it was back then, so maybe it will get to 900 ISK/u.

Zydrine - If this goes up to 1200-1300 and stays there, it will do very good things for the ABC ore values. Back in Dec 2009, it was around 1675. Removal or trimming back of drone poo drops might actually put it back up there.

Megacyte - Used to be worth 3600 ISK/u back in Dec 2009, but is only 2600 ISK/u right now. If that goes back up to 3600 ISK/u territory, then that will boost the ABC values nicely.

Morphite is the other mineral that might change, but it doesn't appear in ore.

I can't see hi-sec ores staying above 150-175 ISK/m3 for very long. People will flock to mining the ores again once they get up closer to 200 ISK/m3, which will lead to over-supply, and Trit / Pye prices will crash right back down again.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2012-03-13 06:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Just as an indication of how non-relaxing mining can be, let me tell you a story.

Last night, one of my associates found some grav sites of interest to me (Hed and Hemo in hisec, that is where all my Zydrine comes from). So off I go with a couple of hulks and an orca, only there is someone there already! In MY grav site! So I focussed all the strip miners on the rocks the other guy was mining and ran 1/3 cycles. This way I was able to pop rocks before he could finish a cycle. For those who care, the site was a "small" site, which meant enough ore to fill an Orca: this translates to about 20M ISK.

Mining doesn't need to be made "more interesting," since it is already as exciting as it can be without turning into actual space combat with ships blowing up.

On the flip side, moving (most) mining to grav sites will make mining a more interesting profession overall, mainly due to the exploration aspect and the change in scenery between sites.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#39 - 2012-03-13 07:12:31 UTC
Don't worry when inflation runs rampant because of the drones being bounties instead of pooping alloys EVERYONE WILL BLAME THE INFLATION ON INCURSIONS and the hi prices of trit well be masked by the ever louder screams to nerf Incursions
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-03-13 07:20:01 UTC
I guess this is ccps sick way to buff mining. (tin foil pirate hat)

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