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CSM7 Candidate Views - Ship Customisation

T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#1 - 2012-03-08 10:20:22 UTC
I'd be interested to know what other Candidates think about being able to customise your ship or fleet's appearance.
If you could pull yourself away from your serious campaigning I'd appreciate it.

The survey is here: and if you could reply with a brief outline of how you feel in here for potential candidates to view that would be great.


Darker Domain
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2012-03-08 11:16:46 UTC
I have compiled a list of the pubbies who voted for you because pink spaceships:
#3 - 2012-03-08 11:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mintrolio

Lets lay this down.

I personally love the idea. Will I suggest for one second that I should get voted to the CSM to support it - HELL NO. Would I mislead gullible voters to suggest that a vote for me would make a bisexual lime green love-toy shaped ship a reality?! - HELL NO !

You have as much chance of getting CCP to agree to making this happen in the next 12 months as I have of having you support my ideas for CSM5.

oh....wait.....lets back up there.

You actually quit CSM5 and eve in a tanty. Now you expect people to vote based on some pretty .gif mock-ups that my 6 year old could have done.

Also - CCP have much more pressign things to worry about other than ship customisation (no matter how much i would love it). You really do need a reality check - as does anyone who votes for you based on a picture you invented.

I'll say what so many have thought - T'Amber is a wasted vote - all over again!

man. you made me lose my train of character.
#4 - 2012-03-08 11:20:29 UTC


T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#5 - 2012-03-08 11:25:15 UTC
Mintrolio wrote:



it was csm5


Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-08 13:15:37 UTC
Thnx for the mail and the link to your survey, i ll try to summum some points i filled in so u can link questions too me as CSM candidate, which seems only fair to be transparant:

* its a topic thats been discussed for years. I think its fun, but it shouldnt be a major consumer of CCP hours at cost of warfare and core game mechanics.
* You should be able to turn viewing of so u dont see other people s horrible colours
* Its fun if u could save custom skins and share with frends
* Same aplies too corp and allaince logos
* how u pay for it, plex/isk/aurum, as they inerchangable through plex price anyway (i dotn give to much about that) , except if u do plex only people will buy plex with isk and plex price goes up
* if your ship dies, its gone (pretty obvious)

To me, yes its fun as a side dish, not a main course

greetz Corebloodbrothers CSM7 candidate

make your vote count!

Skye Aurorae
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-03-08 15:04:04 UTC
I believe I summed up my position on this in my platform with the Phrase
"The Ships Are The Characters"

Look at the Millennium Falcon was a spice freighter, but it's through a lot it's been shot at, repaired at unlicensed facilities, upgraded, patched up, pushed beyond its limits, surfed an explosion and even vomited out by a giant space slug.

Don't you want that kind of history to be etched into the hull of your favourite ships?

In an ideal Eve universe the ships would be more than hulls:

1) Give Assembled Ships a Serial Number and Registration Date
I sold a noctis to some desperate pilot for 360million isk, at the time he had one of the first of the production line and for a few hours he could feel pretty pimp in his new ride. Now, there's nothing that betrays this fact I could build a noctis today and claim that this was one of the first, nobody would be able to prove otherwise. Similarly, maybe there's a ship collector who's prepared to pay a premium for a ship that was involved in some famous event, but again there's no way to prove this. So when a ship is assembled give it a unique serial number, and a date of registration, these will not be changeable, unless you repackaged the ship. Killmails would display these registration numbers as part of Concord's bookkeeping process, in space you'd be able to see the serial number of any ships on grid by doing a 'Show Info' on the vessel.
This simple feature would enable killboard developers to track individual ships, it would let people collect sightings of Supercaps, provide collectors with an unforgeable ship ID and even let Chribba realise when RMT'ers are selling the same titan again and again. (allegedly)

2) Add a combat log and travel log and other random statistics to ships
Sure, you could just use an external killboard to track kills in a specific ship, but I can't imagine it would be a huge technical stretch to add the same kill logs to the ships and make them visible inside the game. Similarly we could easily track systems visited by that ship in the same way that you can view systems visited by your character. And to satisfy the spreadsheet fans out there include all sorts of other numbers like 'Time spent in space', 'lifetime shield/armour/hull damage taken'.

3) Put all those logs in a black box which can be salvaged after destruction
The ships equivalent of a frozen corpse - either a memorial or a trophy, depending which side of the killmail you were on, the logs might even reveal important data on the victim's behaviour!

4) Long Term Wear And Tear
Ships in Eve can be restored to pristine status by on board modules, nothing ever wears out, well time to change that! The long term stresses due to combat will slowly wear out the shield emitters, power relays, thrusters, warp drives and general structure, internally the game will slowly apply penalties to the ship as daily use wears it out. Now, this means that used ships suddenly are no longer quite as good as new ships, so this in turn creates an actual reason for a used ship market to exist.
Now to offset this slow decline in your chariot of the gods you can take it in for servicing, where the engineers will take your ship into dry dock, take it apart and fix all those things that nanobots just can't deal with in deep space. This takes spare parts, time, and a facililty that's capable of building ships - the amount of time would be similar to the time taken to build the ship in the first place, but the material requirements would be along the line of 10% of the ship cost - now, owning a ship in the Eve universe costs money to keep it running, and maintaining those Titans is going to cost you about half a billion isk a month, after all it would be a shame if your jump bridge or Doomsday weapon failed to activate at an inopportune moment.
After the service it comes back almost as good as new, maybe, even better... I mean maybe you decide to pimp your ride a little more. Sure, you can put those fancy faction modules on your ship, but those can be unplugged at any time, no I'm talking about using the fancy Iridium plated fusion spike initiators as opposed to the plain old tungsten ones....

5) Only The Best For My Ride
So when you're getting your ship serviced you provide a pile of spare parts, which are of course built by players from blueprints, but for each type of spare part you have choices, you can use the designers recommended replacements, or you can save a bit of money and use cheaper bits and pieces which don't work quite so well, or last quite so long. Or you can blow money on fancier parts that eke out more performance. Installing these parts normally needs a complete strip down and rebuild of the ship, but, for those who are impatient we could make an exception for the ships coming straight from the factory. Upgraded spare parts could be added when the ship is assembled for the first time, before any rigs or modules are added, after that the only way to pimp the core ship would be as part of a maintenace service.

6) Packaged Ships = Factory Fresh
Anything that changes the core attributes of a ship, either making it better or worse cannot be stored once a ship is packaged, so if you want to sell a ship on the market it needs to be in pristine condition. This might mean you have to service a ship to bring it back to factory specs, but why bother, there's a contracts system that'll let you sell it 'as is'.
Indeed, with a decent customization system, it opens up the possibility of known ship builders who specialise in putting together ships which come with a bit of an edge out of the box.

7) Cosmetic customization well, T'Amber covers it already. It's important to allow other players to disable the visual side for GPU load reasons. But any steps in this direction from CCP would be a boon to the game.

(at least until WiS provide substantive gameplay options)

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-08 15:46:43 UTC

They made pretty faction paintjobs for you, dont be greedy



Zixie Draco
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-03-08 15:47:38 UTC

Mintrolio wrote:
Now you expect people to vote based on some pretty .gif mock-ups that my 6 year old could have done.

...Peter Pan's gots kids??

Would you like a kitten?

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-03-08 17:32:58 UTC
One word: spinnaz.
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#11 - 2012-03-08 17:53:02 UTC
FIX EVE FIRST - then you can have your unicorns and double rainbows.

Read the complete Platform here:

If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.

Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?

Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?

Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed and new errors being introduced daily?

Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!

If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted your vote on F A I L

Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!

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If you don't drink whiskey - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
If you don't like having sex with women - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
If you don't live life on your own terms - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE

Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#12 - 2012-03-08 18:36:08 UTC
This "issue" is right up there with walking in stations.

Can't you guys just go out and buy some starwars figures/barbie's ?


Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#13 - 2012-03-08 19:55:35 UTC
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:
I'd be interested to know what other Candidates think about being able to customise your ship or fleet's appearance.
If you could pull yourself away from your serious campaigning I'd appreciate it.

The survey is here: and if you could reply with a brief outline of how you feel in here for potential candidates to view that would be great.


I completed the survey when you first put it up.

I have actively supported the idea of ship customization for years. I've fought in the forums against the less knowledgeable posters that claim it is impossible or would create incredible lag.

Using the right techniques to apply simple controlled customization like base colors, accent stripes and markings and logos can be done primarily in the shader pipeline and have very little performance impact and could create a much richer game experience. Even something as simple as do I let me ship get to be a mess or do I keep it sparkly clean!

I hope CCP gives us long overdue customization in some form (sorry, no hello kitty skins as much as at least one of my corp members dreams of!).

Thanks for bringing attention to this long overdue opportunity to improve Eve!

Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
#14 - 2012-03-08 20:21:08 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde
Templis CALSF
#15 - 2012-03-08 22:00:54 UTC
I completed the survey earlier as well. Is anyone seriously against ship skin customization?

For those of you not following it, the V3 shader upgrades that have graced the Caldari and Gallente lines so far (Amarr coming soon) is not just there to make the ships look edgier. The shader upgrade will allow us to add corp and perhaps alliance logos to our ships without appriciable lag. This is an important first step in skin efforts that are done responsibly (ie without PVP killing lag)

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Vincent Athena
#16 - 2012-03-12 16:29:09 UTC
I think we should be able to customize ships. Specifically:

It would be a package you buy on the market with ISK,
It would drop into a ship slot like a module,
It would be destroyed when the ship is destroyed,
It would be manufactured by players and sold to other players,
The specific customization designs would be created by players and approved by CCP. A player who submits a design that gets approved by CCP gets a BPO for making the customization package. (This is all to control the TTP issue). The players pay for CCP time and effort to vet their designs with partial PLEX or Aurum.
A corp or alliance could be assigned ownership of a design, so you would have to be a member of that entity before you could install the design.

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Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-03-12 22:29:11 UTC
how much to get sirens?