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Yeah, complete reading of threads is overrated.

first of all i am shocked.
utterly shocked.
this thread could be half as long, when everybody who posted something actually read the first page and the clarifiy-links.
would have been 5 minutes at max.
even less people seem to grasp the meaning of "not yet set in stone" or "subject to change".

ccp will make sure, that you can fly your precious ships after the patch.
they will use a script which checks if you can currently fly the ships which are subject to the skill change and give you the new skills accordingly. if not, you can still rant at the poor gm's afterwards and demand justice. no need to get all emotional now.
and these 30 days for racial bs5 do not make a big difference, when you are going for caps. just humour yourself and look what you need to fly a cap properly. put it into a relation with the last lvl of the bs skill. i see this as a preamble for t2 capitals.


@ people who are drawing similarities to wow because of the "ship lines": lol.

to your information: there are allready "classes" in eve, as there are dps-ships, tackler, ew-platforms, logistics ... omg. we are playing word of spacecraft. god help us all.
if you are really that much disgusted by something that is de facto already in the game, unsub and annoy somebody else.

i think balancing based on some kind of roles is the way to go. it is an effort on making similar ships of all races a viable option. people will allways find ways to use them for something different. the whole module mechanic enables them to do so, and finding an applying unusual tactics is the way to profit in eve.
a properly balanced fleet for every race will be a good thing for eve. ccp is trying to make it right. proper testing through an informed and levelheaded playerbase will do the rest.
i am intrigued by the dev bloc and i look forward to a more refined version of the ideas. they surely sound promising.

Depends on your ability to accumulate isk. Also I hate maintenance like costs. A whine I know, but just pointing out tha realistically there is no advantage for me, yet i still like the change as a whole.

Nonsense, it does nothing of the sort.

They can remove the tier system and re-balance ships just fine without touching the Destroyer and Battle-Cruiser skills. There is quite literally no reason to jack with those skills save that some developer thinks it would be more consistent.

It's change for the sake of change which is dumb.

destroyers dominate level 1 missions. just like a BC would dominate a level 2. Hell, with great skills you can take a cruiser into a level 3 and finish it given enough time.

this is just my experience though. i haven't run l1-3 missions in a loooooong time, so maybe they made them alot harder since then? if so, completely disregard what i just said and we'll call it even.

Mora, I don't think you or I will be able to get through to him. He actually believes that EVE is set up around Zero Sum balancing, and refuses to see HOW you apply a ships capabilities and your personal skills is (and will always be) to their best advantage far more important.

In his mind that Prophecy vs Harbringer battle MUST end in a tie or the system is invalid, (totally ignoring the subtleties of how your tactics can leverage your ship abilities differently in different situations)... and that combat is all about sitting at optimal range and blasting away at each other.

Balance does not equal "the same", nor does it mean "cancels each other out". Until he understands that, no amount of common sense is going to make a dent.

This was actually the first thing I thought of. And I think I saw a couple other posts that were similar. Something about making a generic racial spaceship command skill. (rank blah, level 1 gives you frigs, 2 destroyers, 3 cruisers, 4 battlecruisers, 5 battleships..?) one of those for each race. I imagine that would be a HUGE rank skill (not sure what other people said though). And then have generic ship class skills... frigs skill, destroyer skill, cruiser skill, ... etc. Then you just make the ship requirements the racial skill to the proper level and the ship class skill to 1 to sit in it. Every level of the ship class skill gives you the ship bonuses we see today.

With that model cross training would be as simple as training the rank (16?) racial skill up slowly but surely giving you access to all the same class ships you could fly with your primary race, at the same skill level. Gunnery, and whatever else would still be trained separately i suppose. Meh, I really do like that idea better, but there are ALOT of people who would go insane screaming about the "Dumbing down of eve".

And maybe they'd have a point?

Anyway, Good idea, but it seems like they're already set on making more skills for spaceship command, not less. =/

Which is why I'm specifically talking about L2s and not L1s. (and great skills aren't likely to be prevalent in really new players, as opposed to alts of existing old vets).

The way this sounds so far is that to avoid alienating a lot of players they will "refund" enough SP to cover every Dessy and BC skill level for each race you have trained up for. So assuming you have BC V and all races cruisers, they will refund 5x the amount of BC V so you can just allocate them back into the correct skills. If that is what happens then fine, I don't mind that. So aside from logging in and having to throw some points around for five minutes most longer term players wont notice a difference.

\o/ most polemic Dev blog ever!!!