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No. If you had BC 5 before, you'd have ABC 5, CBC 5, MBC 5, and GBC 5 afterwards. If you had BC 3 before, you'd have ABC 3, CBC 3, MBC 3, and GBC 3 afterwards. It has no bearing on what your racial cruiser skill is. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.

That's irrelevant, most new players won't know it was like this before. Anyway, they can just train into their favorite BC race first and be on the same level as the vets. Being a vet as always been about flexibility more than power and it remains the same with these changes.



I agree with this, attributes right now only add complexity for complexity sakes. Just remove them, they add no value to the game.

Kiran, the couple posts I've seen of yours make me think you haven't read the first page and followed the links. You're way off.

As a newer player I see this as a positive change, the entry barrier to Eve (IMO) isn't that it's hard to learn or harsh when you lose a ship/get ganked. It's setting your heart on a ship that you want to fly and realising it's going to take the best part of a year for you to be able to fly it. For me that is Command Ships and a Thanatos.

From what I understand this change will streamline my progression into said ships, currently seeing that you need so many lvl 5 skills is a complete turn off. As it currently stands I have to first train Assualt Ships and Heavy Assualt Ships to 4 when I have no intention of flying them (at this point in time).

Don't get me wrong I was tempted to rush training for BC 5 for my chance at free SP but ultimately, except for the long term it would be useless to me until I trained a lot of other support and weapon skills to fly the other races BC's. Sure older players with BC 5 may get free SP but how how does this affect me, they already have tens of millions more SP than I do and can already fly other races BC that I can't. If anything this change may 'persuade' us newer players to leave cross training until later and focus on flying our chosen race more effectively.

Bring it on...

Those skills are T2 . . . see the difference?

Actually, the player base has for the 8 years complained about this very problem... that being the huge number of obsolete ships in game.

Who do you know that flies lower tier Tech 1 vessels if they have the skills to fly the higher tier ones?

With the possible exception of the mining oriented vessels, I'd wager very few.

Does it do that now? We have a myriad of skills that enhance us as is. If this is such a barrier we should be feeling it now. I personally like having options with which I can choose specialize and improve my ability with certain ships. I feel it should take a long time to master all aspects of it skill wise as well. I don't feel all is lost when someone has spec 5 guns to my spec 4, or has a bit lower cycle time on a mod. And even if it did make a difference, I didn't have it because I chose to train something else.

no matter how they are solving this problem, they need to say clearly how they are gonna do it and with some advance so we can plan this change. Players have remap points planned ( my case ) and need to adjust the training plans.

As for my specific case, i hope they go with:

Race frig III + Destroyer X -> Race Destroyer X
Race cruiser III + BCruisers X -> Race BCruiser X

since i have all races up to BS 5

I also hope they don't remove the requirements for the T2 ships. it doesn't seem plausible to me that someone can fly a HAC without having atleast Assault Ships 4.

Yes. Obviously. And I guess you never trained Engineering, Weapon Upgrades, a ship skill past I, or any T2 guns - because those are all totally optional and only "further improve" a ship. Like, totally optional. And if they introduce a new line of support skills that is just as optional (except that it directly increases EHP/DPS) and was not previously required for anything, because, well, it isn't really required to be there in the first place, that is also just as optional.

This change totally doesn't add to the total training time required to fly any single sub-cap in the game.

Just gtfo troll.

No it isn't irrelevant. People will know people who started playing prior to the change but hadn't trained all BC to 5 yet will know just like players like me who weren't around prior to the introduction of drone bandwidth know that the Myrmidon used to be able to field a full rack of heavies.

Yeah part of being a vet is having more flexibility but it doesn't change the fact that this change if made would mean that a new player would have to play 3 months longer than someone who trianed BC to 5 prior to the proposed change to achieve the same level of flexibility

This change is exactly the opposite of what you'd want to do if you want to make the game more accessible to new players in that it really is kind of a big FU to everyone who doesn't have BC5 already trained by the time the expansion is launched. The last thing a game as old with as limited a market as EVE has should be doing is making it even harder for new players to start playing.

And we can talk all that specialization nonsense until we're blue in the face and it's not going to change the fact that flexibility is a power issue. Being able to hop into the kind of ship an FC calls for has a big affect on peoples enjoyment of the game. Given the rock paper scissors nature of the game play flexibility directly translates into more power.

Now it's one thing to say "hey you gotta pay your dues just like everyone who came before" it's quite another to say here on top of however many years you are already behind the veterans have an extra 3 months.

Hell under the new system it will actually take even longer to train to level 5 BC than it did under the old system since now in addition to train it again for each race of BC you want to train you have to train racial cruiser to 4 instead of 3.