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Still NO CCP's ANSWER (Dev said:As soon as possible >5 WEEKS AGO) Commercial License

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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
#1 - 2011-09-21 23:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Krathos Morpheus
Back in June the first heist happened when CCP decided to charge 99$ per year to every developer who accepted isk donations, money donations or uses adds in exchange of allowing paid apps. Back then, the first roaring happened and CCP backpedalled contradicting the very words on the blog saying it was only a draft, that they weren't saying what it was written and that they will come back to us with a new draft before the end of Summer.

Now that summer is well over, we still don't know if the project is cancelled, still being worked on, waiting to reappear when the impact on PR is not this big, or just frozen because their lawyers are busy with something. Google charges a one time 25$ fee and in exchange it offers actual services (unlike CCP would). If it works for Google's lawyers, how is it that isn't enough for CCP's? How hard can it be to do it? Or at least to get an answer on what is happening/going to happen.

Relevant devBlogs:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2308
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2338


Summer is over. Where is the Commercial Licensing devblog?
Summer is over on earth. On all possible calendars. Or has not started yet, on the southern hemisphere. In reality it ended at August ending (from wikipedia: "Solstices and equinoxes are taken to mark the mid-points, not the beginnings, of the seasons"), but apparently in some countries with temperature lag it ended now. Where is the devblog?

CCP Zulu wrote:
So what we‘ll do is take a step back, harvest feedback from this thread, do an iteration pass on the contract and terms and give you an updated version before the end of summer. Until we have a license that meets our needs and your expectations we will not make any changes to our terms or enforcement thereof.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#2 - 2011-09-21 23:27:17 UTC
CCP isn't very good with deadlines. Also they didn't state what year the end of summer was referring too. They didn't say "updated version before the end of THIS summer".

CCP can be very cryptic at times. Or myself like many others like to nitpick their wording.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#3 - 2011-09-21 23:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
Krathos Morpheus wrote:
...but apparently on some countries with temperature lag...


Am I wrong when I constantly see this usage of "on" and call it wrong? It's a new trend I've been observing across the Internet for the past couple of months. Same goes with everyone suddenly replacing ed with t. (although, it is my understanding that replacing ed with t works both ways, the t just makes it sound annoying)
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-09-22 00:25:24 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Krathos Morpheus wrote:
...but apparently on some countries with temperature lag...


Am I wrong when I constantly see this usage of "on" and call it wrong? It's a new trend I've been observing across the Internet for the past couple of months. Same goes with everyone suddenly replacing ed with t. (although, it is my understanding that replacing ed with t works both ways, the t just makes it sound annoying)


Roll

Excuse me, may I see your Grammatical Nitpickers Association membership card, please?

But yes, 'on' in that situation is wrong.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-22 00:46:28 UTC
Deadlines are so pre-incarna.

Don't ban me, bro!
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
#6 - 2011-09-22 14:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Krathos Morpheus
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Krathos Morpheus wrote:
...but apparently on some countries with temperature lag...


Am I wrong when I constantly see this usage of "on" and call it wrong? It's a new trend I've been observing across the Internet for the past couple of months. Same goes with everyone suddenly replacing ed with t. (although, it is my understanding that replacing ed with t works both ways, the t just makes it sound annoying)

If that's all you have to pick on, thanks. English is not my main language. If I say it that way is because I've read it that way lots of times and now it sounds good in my mind (when something is wrong in my language I feel something doesn't fit in the phrase). I may have learned it wrong from Internet, but I'd swear I did read it on paper time ago, maybe it is different when you refer to countries than seasons, for example? Honestly, however, there are a lot more concerning faults on the web to haunt for, are you bored? :)

PS: If you find the answer from a reputable source don't hesitate to inform me, I'm always happy to learn.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2011-09-22 14:52:56 UTC
Can of worms officially opened!

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2011-09-22 14:55:45 UTC
I have passed this request on to CCP Zulu and we will get you an update as soon as possible.
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
#9 - 2011-09-22 14:58:22 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
I have passed this request on to CCP Zulu and we will get you an update as soon as possible.

Thanks.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-22 16:05:20 UTC
i'm liking this call out CCP and devs care enough to respond thing.
Sumos Tigerclaw
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-09-22 16:15:39 UTC
Threads about CCP lies, scams, and false promises belong in the crime and punishment section.
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
#12 - 2011-09-26 15:19:35 UTC
Did you forget about it or what? At least have the courage to say you did not what you promised.
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-09-26 15:21:17 UTC
CCP, a word of advice. Just go back to the old "Soon(tm)"-thingymabob.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
#14 - 2011-09-26 15:31:42 UTC
Tobias Sjodin wrote:
CCP, a word of advice. Just go back to the old "Soon(tm)"-thingymabob.
If they aren't going to do something, they should at least say so and say why. Kind of like they did with the last expansion and the missing captain quarters, not to wait until the date is over and say nothing. Don't you think? I would have been contented with a simple quick blog saying they are postponing it because this and that, but if you aim for a date I expect you to at least put it in your calendar giving notice and rescheduling when you are not able to reach it.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2011-09-26 15:38:43 UTC
Krathos Morpheus wrote:
...Summer is over on earth...

The failure is yours .. summer is only over on the northern hemisphere, they still have 5-6 months for this years global summer to end.

Shout out to our Aussie and Kiwi brosefs!
Yasumoto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-26 15:45:40 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
I have passed this request on to CCP Zulu and we will get you an update as soon as possible.
And this is supposed to mean what?

Is it "we" as in "CCP" or is it "Zulu" who will be getting out the update?

At what point will CCP take ownership and control of their EVE IP and reign in the truly terrible communication and half-assed deliverables from the past six months?

Take this licensing fiasco, for example. The initial controversy erupted earlier this summer. CCP broke down and pushed the procrastination button "because of vacation / summer / whatever." The deadline has now passed for when CCP stated that they were to wrap up this question.

Where is the leadership to manage and put this issue to rest? Heck, where is the leadership to take the EVE service by the nuts and give both the company AND subscribers a clear picture of the IP's near-term direction?

It gets frustrating watching CCP flounder along like a fishing trawler with no rudder and failing engines.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2011-09-26 16:00:59 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
I have passed this request on to CCP Zulu and we will get you an update as soon as possible.


"Soon™" Roll


No doubt we'll get it right after the Faction Warfare blog or the anti bot blog or after that guy you hired to do the new cynos takes just another 14 months to really settle into his new office.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#18 - 2011-09-26 16:17:52 UTC
Might have meant that'll be released once Summer Glau dies.


Or Little Summer....

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Yasumoto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-09-26 18:04:33 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Might have meant that'll be released once Summer Glau dies...

That is heresy; wash out your mouth with soap!

Plus Ms. Glau is a CCP model for some of their avatars: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2276103424/nm1132359

^^ used en lieu of a screen capture with her true cyborg eye revealed. Then, she'd be a model for CCP's illustrious NEX store. Big smile

Monocles for life, yo.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-09-26 18:07:16 UTC
Krathos Morpheus wrote:
Summer is over. Where is the Commercial Licensing devblog?

Summer is over on earth. On all possible calendars. Or has not started yet, on the southern hemisphere. In reality it ended at August ending (from wikipedia: "Solstices and equinoxes are taken to mark the mid-points, not the beginnings, of the seasons"), but apparently on some countries with temperature lag it ended now. Where is the devblog?

CCP Zulu wrote:
So what we‘ll do is take a step back, harvest feedback from this thread, do an iteration pass on the contract and terms and give you an updated version before the end of summer. Until we have a license that meets our needs and your expectations we will not make any changes to our terms or enforcement thereof.



It's fools like this that are the reason why companies like Valve and Blizzard don't give any kind of deadlines. Children freak out and whine if they miss them, which happens all the time. Programmers are human. Games are complex. Deal with it.
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