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If its your forté why the hell didn't you say anything useful or relevant?

Oh you just wanted to advertise yourself. I see.

Cleaning the skill tree for ships is not a bad idea, but why should that mean introducing racial destroyer and racial battlecruiser skills?

And a few line later you group the ships with what they have in common.
That's the way to start, but start from the begining:

* replace ALL racial ship skills with generic ones, it's the same ship type, only the controls differ
* introduce racial Systems Control, that's where they differ from each other
* top that with the role skills

I assume that some of you guys at CCP know about Object-Oriented Programming ... apply that stuff to your skill design!

Like the naming change, this is a good idea, but you have to do it right.
So, please, lay back and improve the idea, like you did it with naming.
You're not in a hurry, because doing this wrong, will make A LOT (close to all players) of people angry/sad.

Another argument:
You want to get more people into EVE, so don't make cross-training even harder for them.
Doubling the time to get into the BS of another race is not the way to go!
In addition, you still have to train the corresponding support skills.

Edit: Decorator Pattern
It's a cruiser,
decorate it with Amarr Control Systems (see below),
decorate it with Combat Ship
and get the Maller

I love how you are going to give everybody who currently has Destroyers V and Battlecruisers V 6,144,000 skillpoints out of thin air.

You guys are truly idiotic.

Making racial destroyer/battlecruiser skills? Unless you shorten the train time for them its going to be horribad. 5 x on 4 skills HA! I feel the folks at ccp missed the fact that a non-racial BC skill does let you FLY all the ships, but pilot them effectively? Nah. Last time i checked i could get into any BC i wanted... but still haven't found a way to fit autocannons on the drake. That's another 20dayish? to train. I don't see anything terribly wrong with the current skill tree, going in the wrong direction here guys.

i have re-evaluated the situation and decided i have all the skills involved in this change max skilled already and thus resolved on the fact i enjoy killing nubblets in carriers who have nowhere near the skills or brainpower needed to actually fly them and thus will glorify my killboard with minimal effort.
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Bring on the killmails

No. Read the OP and follow the links.

My luck i have all lvl5 subcap skill.
This is another dumb idea from CCP, just like the namechanges.

CCP talking about they want to trying to new players (namechanges), but this changes increasing the new players training times.
Just increasing the gap between the old and new players. This is very bad gamepolitic toward to playerbase again.

If they continuing this dumb development direction, i think Hilmar need to write another apologetic letter again.

It doesn't increase new player's training times unless the new players decide to do everything at once, which never was a good decision for them to begin with. If they actually decide to specialise, this change reduces the time it takes for them to get to a specific role or ship, and lets them focus on specific tasks much more effectively before.

It's a (very tiny) nerf for the jack-of-al-trades types; a rather significant improvement for everyone else. New players, in particular, will be able to “catch up” much faster than before since they no longer have to train a whole slew of unnecessary and irrelevant prereqs.

Really ? Check my friend the new t3 training time differences and the old one. Just 1.5 month longer with the new idea the learning time.

ITT: Many people who don't understand how skills, nested skill reqs and ship prereqs work screaming very loudly and very incorrectly.



Though this can be applied to eve-o in general in most threads (especially those full of passion, RAAAAGE and drool), it's especially apparent here. I'm actually embarrassed that so many EVE players gaze down upon other MMOs condescendingly thinking themselves intellectually superior, yet they produce such fucktastic dumbass shitposts when given an opportunity to speak, so unaware of the hurf blurf that leaks out of the corner of their mouths, collecting in their neckbeards.

I'm looking forward to seeing this change take shape and develop into something good. Getting rid of tiers is long overdue, and I'm happy to see it's no longer just a player lament in features and ideas, or ship improvement suggestion threads. I DO think that the proposed "roles" (e.g. "artillery", "attack ships", etc.) are pretty lol and potentially even worse than the tiers. Let the players decide how they want to use ships, just make sure that every ship has a viable slot layout, reasonable stats like HP, and bonuses that are useful. Don't homogenize ships at that, please. We don't need two energy turret DPS boats, just as we don't really need the Prophecy now anyway. Must the proposed new Support Cruiser (tm) always only do its electronic warfare duty? I think not, it kind of sucks the fun out of playing with fits and roles.

No tiers, no ships that only differ in their model, no T1 ships that can only do one thing well (save that for T2), yes to unique stats and bonuses that can be used in more than one way and work with more than one fit, encouraging player creativity.