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Streamlining and simplification is the opposite of what they are doing - they are introducing four rank 6 skills to replace one.

I'm going to exclude a few prerequisites, but to train into an Astarte you currently need Gallente Cruiser V and Battlecruisers V. If you want to crosstrain into, say, a Sleipnir, you'll need to train Minmatar Cruiser V. Now you'll have Gallente Cruiser V and Gallente Battlecruiser V, but to crosstrain into a Sleipnir you'll have to grind another rank 5 skill to V, another rank 6 skill to V and the skills for the racial turrets.

That's not simplification, that's obfuscation.

See through the crap, please.

Need confirmation that tech 2 ship types will be split to racial variants as well. I seem to have missed that.

Removing the tier based system has to be one of the best game-balance decisions CCP has ever made. It's a shame that so many ships sit around and never get used because the higher tier varients have completely obsoleted them. Switching to a role-based system will re-energize eve in so many ways.

The proposed reimbursement for BC and destroyer skills seems fair to me.

These changes are full of win. So looking forward to the Caldari discussion. I haven't trained any gunnery skills except AWU in over 2 years simply because there are so few Caldari ships that have any use for them. Perhaps now I will have a reason to train them.

Now that the SP concerns have been dealt with, I can't see anything bad about this at all. Let's do this! When can we expect to see the initial round of changes on Singularity?

Will T2 generic skills be split into racials as well?

I would also like to point out that part of the fun and challenge of EVE is finding less than conventional ship fittings that suit the task at hand. So while a part of me would like to see some of those unused hulls find purpose again, I'm concerned that we'll end up with overspecialized ships with more limited usage. I'm particularly opposed to further specialization of T1 battlecruisers and battleships - we already have T2 ships for comparable specialization and pigeonholing those hulls doesn't get us anywhere good. In some ways, I think a part of the current problem is that we have too many ships.

I could care less about having all 4 racial variants for Destroyers or BC's gifted to me. My enjoyment of EVE has very little to do with amassing as many skill points as possible, or as many different skills as quickly as I possibly can.

However, I can see other people feeling victimized if they lose access to ships they have already trained for, so I support the decision to go that route.

Newer players that do not have those skills already have lost.... literally.... nothing. They will need to make wiser decisions when they get to that point than older players had to, this is true. It is also true that newer players have significant advantages in gaining skill points compared to older players.

Before I forget:



What you are referring to as obfuscation is EXACTLY the way skill progression works in all other aspects of the game currently. If you feel that one skill should grant access to all racial variants of any type of ship that is another matter entirely, one I will happily debate with you in another thread.

Until then give us one good reason why Destroyers and Battle Cruisers should be exempt from the same game design logic that all other ships in game follow.

You might also take a look at the post immediately above.

4x 1 million SP = 4 million SP
4x 0,5 million SP = 2 million SP

Player A gets 2 million more bonus SP than player B.
Player B realizes this and goes kaboom.

Then next day player B realizes also that he needs 4x more training time to get to same point which A reached with 4x less effort. Then he goes helldeathkaboom.

[Crumples up paper, throws over shoulder] Well there goes my skill plan... BCV here I come!

No, not really. The removal of learning skills also came with the removal of the 5x learning boost. If you don't care about new players, or have some undeserved sense of entitlement because you've been playing longer, please be more forthcoming about it instead of beating around the bush.

For now, I'm just citing Malcanis' Law.



So, by your logic, the following skills should be replaced with four ******* skills of equal rank:

Interceptors, Covert Ops, Interdictors, Electronic Attack Ships, Assault Ships, Transport Ships, Recon Ships, Heavy Interdictors, Logistics, Heavy Assault Ships, Black Ops, Marauders, Capital Ships

The Battlecruisers skill does not grant me the ability to fly every battlecruiser hull, it grants me the ability to fly the ones for which I have the racial cruiser skill level required. Just like I can't fly a Huginn and a Lachesis merely by training Recon - I still have to train both racial cruisers to 5.

Gratz on finally tackling that 900 lb gorilla that has been hiding in the corner :)

This is a beast of a job and I can only sympathize with the people having to pour over spreadsheets to make all this work. Yeah there will be a couple bumps and bruises as it goes in the first time but I think it can only get better with a revamp.

For me what is going to be the most interesting is how these changes will be twisted and warped to some freaky new fleet concepts no one anticipated :) We all know that there are a lot of people that are going to be perma - camped on EFT the day the changes are announced to see what kind of insane fits are to be had .. and that is why I love EVE \o/


After reading Crucible 1.5 patch notes and this .. one can only wonder what CCP has hiding under wraps for fanfest ;)