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On the Skilltree changes:
Wow... I really hope you guys gives this ALOT of tought. Because if you think that Incarna thingy was bad, this has the potential of turning into something way worse.
Take everyone who was upset about WiS not coming, and then add the rest of EVE.... thats how many people are gonna be upset about this if it goes wrong.

I'm not saying I don't think you guys know what your doing.. i'm just saying PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET THIS RIGHT!!!!

On the ship/tier changes:
So, how much are you guys looking to change the ship stats in order to achieve this?
Change ships that aren't beeing used, LEAVE the ones that are.

No sir, I don't like it. Certain things should be left alone. To be blunt, I do NOT trust you to not mess this up CCP.

First off, I don't believe you won't screw up the 1 skills to 4 skills SP reimbursement. You can't realistically give those of us who have destroyers 5 and BC 5 the extra 6m SP just so we can continue flying what we already fly. It'll be a huge advantage to incoming new players.

Secondly, BS4 for a capital ship? Seriously? They're a capital ship. For many people they're close to if not end-game goals. They should NOT be BS4, period. Do super caps need BS5 at least?

Thirdly, what about all the other generic skills? You know, crazy things like the T2 ship skills, the capital ship skill, etc? Will we now need to tale out an extra 360m for Gallente Capital Ship, Amarr Capital Ship, etc. If you're going to do this, you should at least be consistent on how you handle EVERY ship skill.

In short, you made a mistake when you implemented the Destroyer and BC skills, now you're going to screw things up trying to fix them. Not a great plan. I guess all of these changes you've been making have been you buttering us up for this dreadful, awful, horrible change.

Can someone please shut up all the mindless humans that are posting about how they are going to be forced to retrain for the new skills. If you guys took a few minutes to read you would find out CCP stated they would reimburse properly.

I'm cautiously optimistic about these changes. However, there are a couple issues with the transition that need to be addressed. Specifically, SP refunds for people who trained skills only because they were a pre-requisite. An example of this would be a supercarrier pilot who has Battleship 5 for the sole reason that it was required to inject carrier. That is now nearly 1.5 million SP that is completely wasted on a pilot that will never leave his supercarrier to fly a subcap. Another example would be a combat pilot who trained Mining Barge 5 solely for the logistical utility of a Rorqual which he never actually mines with, or flies mining barges or exhumers.

I truly hope that CCP takes this opportunity to learn from their previous mistakes handling transitions (eg: fuel blocks) and provides some form of optional SP refund for pilots who would otherwise be stuck in this situation. An optional refund would require a large amount of work on the part of the GMs handling the requests but it needs to be done.

Sure, and if Dreddit were the only corp and Test the only Alliance in the game then I'd be all for it. But the game is more than one corp with a newbie focus and an alliance with an emphasis on screwing around, so it helps to think about these things from a broader perspective.

What on earth would make you say a thing like that?

Yes, but... it opens up some interesting side effects. "New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones"

BC is a rank 6 skill. The new system would suddenly give you 4 rank 6 skills. Which means that everyone should be training the generic destroyer and battlecruiser ship skills right now to take advantage of this One Time Quadruple Training Speed Special Offer!*

* User is solely responsible for any increase in clone replacement/upgrade costs.

'Nother Bittervet checking in.

Like other BVs who have posted so far, I have a significant chunk of SP (nearly 90 mil) on two characters created at near the same time. One (this one) is a combat specialist, able to fly all sub-BS t2 ships (except industrials) across all 4 races, and has the distinction of qualifying for the Elite Fleet Co-ordinator certificate (go look it up, it's a *****). My other char is a cap pilot, but, being pure Gallente, would not be effected much by this change as she already has BC 5 and Dest 5.

So my issue mostly revolves around this character. As I noted, I have extensive training in Command Ships and what makes them special. I also own and fly an Eris and a Flycatcher, as well as a Damnation, Claymore, and Vulture. I do not want to lose access to those ships, even temporarily, because of some new racial training schema for "off-path" ships.

Now, I understand breaking the tiers and the fact that the genericism of Destroyers and BCs makes the skills a little broken compared to the others. But at the same time, it really doesn't. You still need racial Frigate or Cruiser to fly them. You could just bump the level requirement to 4 instead of 3 to make them a little tougher to get into, much like the next level up on the t1 transition. Destroyers and BCs are kinda specialized to begin with, even at t1, so them being off the beaten path makes sense anyway. I treated them as half-way stepping stones, something a bit more powerful to fly while I trained up support skills to make the next level of basic ships viable to fly. So if you guys go ahead and make the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills race specific, I damned well better get level 5 in all 8 of them.

Other things:
I do not agree with severing the progression of AF -> HAC -> Field Command Ship. Each one really is just a beefier, less mobile version of the one before. Also Covop -> Black Ops, EAS -> Recon, and Interdictor -> HIC (interceptor should not be a pre-req to Dictor, though). Fleet CS has its own "usefullness" pre-reqs in the Leadership skill tree; Logistics should have nothing to do with them (in part because they do not do logistics directly, in part because only two of them BUFF logistics ships), but, say, Siege Warfare Specialist 4 for the Vulture (and equivalents for the others) would make sense. I don't like the idea of people being able to skip lesser t2 ships on the way to greater t2 ships. Feels like watering down the specialization. And like I'll have trained potentially unnecessary skills (I almost never actually fly an AF - I could easily do without them). Similarly, as you need to train increasingly larger base hulls to move up in size of ships, you should need to know how to fly a smaller sibling to a bigger vessel before flying that bigger vessel.

This is going to make Destroyers look like a terrible skill option, since it'll take you a while to get a single ship, whereas skilling up Cruiser will get you 3 or 4. Maybe you should implement more destroyers with this system... *winkwinknudgenudgeohgodpleasei'mtiredofthethrasherhull*