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New dev blog: Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time

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Kuroi Hoshi
Ajo Heavy Industries
#441 - 2012-03-06 20:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuroi Hoshi
As a suggestion I'd rather see the problem approached from a different direction.

Remove Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, and Gallente Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship and make it just Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship. Remove the Spaceship Command skill.

Then just add the skills of Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, and Gallente Spaceship Command (with maybe a slightly higher training time) etc.

It would seem to be an easier way to keep the ranks for each skill about the same across the races without having to effectively grandfather in players or else have players up in arms with worry about no longer being able to fly ships well that they could previously.

Also it would prevent you from having to go through the same mess with all T2 ship skills a year down the road.

*Edit - I missed Shin Dari's post basically suggesting the same thing. Consider this as being in support of that as well.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#442 - 2012-03-06 20:19:07 UTC

I think your new FiS approach is more than welcome.

While I was originally a little nervous about how skillpoint redistribution and skill reallocation will alter the ships I can currently fly, I'm very much alright with your changes and trust CCP will do us right...

I think the tiericide is very welcome, and thank you for keeping up the new and innovative changes!!!
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#443 - 2012-03-06 20:20:05 UTC
Akelorian wrote:
CCP Soundwave to Goons: Herp Derp BS4 for Capitals
CCP Soundwave to Eve: Yea we ruining your game like promised


Do Goons in Capital Ships scare you? How cute...

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
ORCACommander
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#444 - 2012-03-06 20:20:34 UTC
very interesting concept and I demand more high resolution tech tree progression images when its finalized. My one complaint is that HACs should require assault ships as a prereq as logically how can you be qualified to fly a heavier version of an assault ship if you are not qualified in the smaller version

not sure if i approve of racial battlecruiser until we have naval and pirate variants. if you do insist on this then existing players should be grandfathered into having all racial bc skills provided they have battlecruisers to begin with.

Also i demand black ops be given covert ops cloaks and the widow at least needs a larger tank and better ecm bonus so its not just on par with a falcon or rook. now to read a 23 page topic and see what others are saying
Steelrat diGriz
X10 PUNISHM4NT
#445 - 2012-03-06 20:20:51 UTC
THIS IS A STUIPED IDEA

that means i have to train battlecruisers another 2 time just so i'm in teh sam eplace i i am unless u get 1.5mil free sp for every race cruiser 5 u have if you as well as cs skills
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#446 - 2012-03-06 20:21:18 UTC
I find it funny that people are calling this Tiericide...I guess I missed the part where they actually removed the Tiers. Looks like they are still there to me.

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Russir
the united
#447 - 2012-03-06 20:21:42 UTC
Hugo Smith wrote:
Jesus ******* christ. WHAT THE **** IS THIS!?!?!?

The new ship lines make sense but PLEASE dont change the skill training lines. It will anoy so many people.

agreed DO NOT DO THIS ITS ******* STUIPED
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#448 - 2012-03-06 20:21:44 UTC
Steelrat diGriz wrote:
THIS IS A STUIPED IDEA

that means i have to train battlecruisers another 2 time just so i'm in teh sam eplace i i am unless u get 1.5mil free sp for every race cruiser 5 u have if you as well as cs skills


Once again... no likes... mad as hell
Kale Kold
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#449 - 2012-03-06 20:22:24 UTC
CCP is smoking the Incarna crack again!

So i lose BC5 and then i have to train 4 x BC5 again!?!?! or if we are 'reimursed' we get enough skillpoints for 1 BC5 then a bit for another, leaving 3 more months of training for something we already have??? This is a **** move CCP!!! Prepare for us shooting the jita monument again! Roll

“Some people call me insane for the destruction I’ve caused, ...I believe I was just doing my duty!” -- Testimony submitted to Caldari Navy war crimes tribunal.
Mitauchi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#450 - 2012-03-06 20:22:38 UTC
While I love the fact CCP is focused on revamping ships in general. I do not see how making it easier for players to get into capitals is a good idea. I have an industrial account that has trained BS5 skill only to fly a carrier. He has no conventional weapon skills that would apply to flying a T1 or T2 BS as he uses this character solely for logistics. If this change goes forward then that would mean I spent the 30 day or so training of BS5 for absolutely no reason. Unless CCP is planing on offering a refund of the SP I have wasted on training BS4 to BS5 then I feel as though I wasted an entire month where I could of applied these skills points else where.

The big question is will I get my BS5 reimbursed???
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#451 - 2012-03-06 20:22:41 UTC
Given the changes, and I do like them, I think it would be prudent to immediately train Amarr and Minmatar BS to II or III, just to ensure that I don't lose the ability to fly a 'Cane or Harby. Amidoinitrite?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#452 - 2012-03-06 20:23:02 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
IM ANGRY because effectivly nothing is going to change for me!!! iv been promised that il be able to fly the same ships as before AND CCP has alowd themself the ability to balance the game BETTER and introduce MOAR ships!!! THIS SENSIBLE LOGIC MAKES ME ANGRY!!!

+1 CCP


Gold, pure gold

Nothing clever at this time.
Svennig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#453 - 2012-03-06 20:23:04 UTC
Akelorian wrote:
CCP Soundwave to Goons: Herp Derp BS4 for Capitals
CCP Soundwave to Eve: Yea we ruining your game like promised


Honestly, I just don't know how I feel about this. I'm not sure how much the BS V requirement deters people from caps. For me, it was just something that needed to be done - it didn't stop me and, as it was on a dedicated alt, it wasn't as if I could have trained something else.

I'm not sure how much I'm bothered about BS IV for caps.
Quade Warren
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#454 - 2012-03-06 20:23:17 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We'll find a suitable reimbursement that makes everyone happy. I'm not terribly fussed about giving away a little extra if it moves we move the ship progression system into a better place.


A little extra? you're looking at atleast 8 times more.


We'll sit down and have a chat about it, but what we're looking to do is create a solid ship scheme, not take things away from people. You'll be reimbursed properly.



I will trust you guys to be fair. Overall, your track record shows that you do give a damn about what the players think. I don't have to tell you that this whole idea was not fleshed out very well in the dev blog and this is probably the reason you're receiving the same complaint from players: What does this meeeaaannn?! This is not the rainbow I was looking for...

I would have waited until you had a more concrete plan instead of crucifying yourself on the new skill tree design, but maybe I'm just understating the obvious.
Josef Stylin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#455 - 2012-03-06 20:23:30 UTC
Can't wait to see if there is actually anyone in the entire game who will train Gallente Battlecruiser V
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#456 - 2012-03-06 20:23:32 UTC
Great dev blog, I look forward to many ships that aren't useless anymore.

Bonus points for making so many vets whine "for the sake of the noobs" because they can't read before posting.

Two little things though:
1. You thought I wouldn't notice if you just re-use the Rokh pic, didn't you? WHERE MAH NAGA?

2. If you call my Battlebadger an oil platform again the statue gets it and I'll unsub my 1200 accounts. Not funny!
Shin Dari
Covert Brigade
#457 - 2012-03-06 20:24:35 UTC
Heimdallofasgard wrote:

Interesting method, this favours cross training HUGELY, which I think ccp are trying to move away from.

I for one am in the camp of specialisation, I think cross training should be made as difficult as possible, in this way, a character becomes introduced to the concepts of each race slowly, instead of getting Battle cruisers and stepping right into a drake as the first thing they've flown outside of amarrian ships.

Each race should have its own learning curve, I for one trained gallente first, and now have the properties of all their ammo types memorised. I cross trained to amarr and fly abaddons in fleets but still have no idea what t1 crystals your supposed to use for certain ranges.
I think that you are right, specialization is a good thing in this game and I would like to see more of it.

But I hate having Spaceship Command being my largest skill group (about 25% of the total pie), and I would prefer not having it explode in my face. If CCP gives me the option to exclude a race during the reimbursement, then I will gladly use that option.
Eva midgard
X10 PUNISHM4NT
#458 - 2012-03-06 20:24:39 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.

As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.

EDIT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT:

  • New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones
  • We have a "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now" philosophy, that means properly reimbursing/giving skills not to leave people stranded in ships they could fly before the change. Again, nothing is fixed yet.



this

you are gonna make people quit u morons if u can fly it now u should be able to fly it after this its gonna take alot of manpower to get this right which u won't you will **** it as usual

LET US RESPEC SKILL POINTS ONCE A YEAR FOR A PLEX

DO NOT DO THIS
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#459 - 2012-03-06 20:24:40 UTC
In on page something. Just so I can read the blog now.

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Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#460 - 2012-03-06 20:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Heimdallofasgard
Double post