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Epic idea: character/corp rating system using tokens
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Simon Risalo
Antithesis Undefined
#1 - 2012-03-05 04:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Risalo
Awhile ago I said that we needed a rating system for people to measure credibility and quality of other characters and corporations that they do business with. I didn't have an idea to supplement that at the time. Now I have an idea. An idea for a rating system is this: "credibility tokens" and "quality tokens". As the names suggest, the crediblity tokens could help other users measure the credibility of the character/corp and the quality tokens could measure the quality of work of the character/corp. People could allocate those tokens as they see fit.

Here are the main points of my idea:
1. Each character should get a set amount of tokens (such as 10 cred. tokens and 10 quality tokens)
2. Each character should be able to give the tokens to other characters or corporations in the game that they think deserve those tokens. They should also be able to give multiple tokens to say 1 player/corp if they wish
3. The character should have the opportunity to remove the tokens or move them around. For example, if a character gave 2 tokens to a transport corporation but decided they like another one better, they should be able to move the 2 tokens to that latter corporation instead
4. If that character is deleted, the tokens they gave out should be deleted as well

This idea is something to work with. I think that it would be great thing to try out, it would enhance the gameplay, limit scamming, and promote trust on Eve.

-Simon-
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-03-05 04:34:21 UTC
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but having public channels and actually talking to corp members seems to be the best way of evaluating a corp. Like buttons, ratings, tokens, or whatever mechanism you implement cannot replace that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#3 - 2012-03-05 04:44:47 UTC
This is Eve, not eBay. We don't need a "rate your seller" function, and even if we had one we'd scam the hell out of it anyway.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Simon Risalo
Antithesis Undefined
#4 - 2012-03-05 04:54:58 UTC
Well I STRONGLY disagree with you. You haven't listed any possible negative side-effects of my idea. My idea could complement and/or supplement what you said above. My idea could ABSOLUTELY replace the "word-of-mouth" system that we have now; which is pretty archaic at best.

Using public channels to gain info on characters or corps is a TERRIBLE method of finding info. The possibility of running into someone that has made contact with the character/corp you need info on is difficult and time-consuming. Not only that, there is no way to measure THEIR credibility or quality. Not sure how this has worked for you, but for me its been very difficult getting info on the quality or cred of characters and/or corps.

On top that, talking to corp members about their own corp is like asking a restaurant manager if he thinks the food at his own restaurant is good. Of course they will be biased towards their corp.

Scamming is rampant within Eve. Clearly the "old-fashioned" ways you have listed aren't working.

A user-rating system dealing with tokens (like the one I described above) would be a great way to compare, contrast, and gather QUALITY info in a super-short period of time.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-05 05:01:27 UTC
Ok lets say I want to scam you under your new system, all I would have to do is use my alts and give all there tokens to my scammer.

"You can trust me, look how many tokens I have" and I will smile as I take all your isk.

This is just as bad as the current bounty hunting system. You didn't even bother to think of the possabilities of how it could be abused so easily. The use of alts severely detriments the QUALITY of your idea.

When you've come up with a system like this that cannot be abused then I might actually consider giving it a +1 but for now, with so many glaring holes you don't even bother the recognize I cannot imagine supporting it.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Simon Risalo
Antithesis Undefined
#6 - 2012-03-05 05:07:22 UTC
Well you would have to create A LOT of alts to scam the system under my idea. And since you can only have 3 alts per account, what you said is virtually impossible.

Also, note what I said above: "If that character is deleted, the tokens they gave out should be deleted as well". Thus the problems that you brought up would never happen.

Please read my entire post before commenting on the idea. Thanks.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-05 05:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerrick Palivorn
Yeah I personally run over 10 alts over multiple accounts, plus I have alot of friends that will give me tokens if i asked for them because they want to here my stories of how I scammed you ass.

10 alts also is not a lot, there are some people who run dozens of accounts, each with 3 toons. You do the math.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#8 - 2012-03-05 05:14:40 UTC
Simon Risalo wrote:
Well you would have to create A LOT of alts to scam the system under my idea. And since you can only have 3 alts per account, what you said is virtually impossible.

Also, note what I said above: "If that character is deleted, the tokens they gave out should be deleted as well". Thus the problems that you brought up would never happen.

Please read my entire post before commenting on the idea. Thanks.

lol I currently have 5 active accounts, so that's 15 tokens just from me. Obviously id also trade tokens with my corp mates, and their alts. And their alts alts, just so we all get decent rep...

Oh wait, you didn't think of that? Welcome to eve, we will literally scam the crap out of anything and everything.

This is why we can't have nice things. Cry

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Simon Risalo
Antithesis Undefined
#9 - 2012-03-05 05:17:36 UTC
Well there are 600,000 players on Eve. You would need to create HUNDREDS of alts to try to scam under the idea that I have. That would take DAYS to do, which I highly doubt most people would have the time or energy to do that. If they did scam (which they could), it would be VERY rare. I didn't say that my system would eliminate scamming (no system will), but it would greatly reduce it.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#10 - 2012-03-05 05:38:09 UTC
Simon Risalo wrote:
Well there are 600,000 players on Eve. You would need to create HUNDREDS of alts to try to scam under the idea that I have. That would take DAYS to do, which I highly doubt most people would have the time or energy to do that. If they did scam (which they could), it would be VERY rare. I didn't say that my system would eliminate scamming (no system will), but it would greatly reduce it.

It wouldn't take days, scammer corps dedicated to selling and trading these tokens would spring up instantly. Having the tokens would quickly become meaningless, as everyone would have them at the very least on their mains.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Simon Risalo
Antithesis Undefined
#11 - 2012-03-05 05:42:59 UTC
Well that is a good point. Let me add a 5th point to my idea:
5. I would also make it traceable to see where the tokens came from. If the tokens came from 100 characters that were 1 day old that had no quality or cred tokens of their own, it would be easy to see that that corp/character is a scammer.

Let me reiterate that scamming could still happen under my idea, but it would be harder and more time consuming, thus MUCH rarer and less likely to happen.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#12 - 2012-03-05 05:46:47 UTC
Simon Risalo wrote:
Well that is a good point. Let me add a 5th point to my idea:
5. I would also make it traceable to see where the tokens came from. If the tokens came from 100 characters that were 1 day old that had no quality or cred tokens of their own, it would be easy to see that that corp/character is a scammer.

Let me reiterate that scamming could still happen under my idea, but it would be harder and more time consuming, thus MUCH rarer and less likely to happen.

I don't think you quite got what I meant, threads, in game channels and the like would all be created to trade tokens very quickly. A lot of the time id also just give mine away to people I like, even knowing they aren't trustworthy.

And not trustworthy describes half of eve.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-03-05 11:04:55 UTC
You do realise goonwaffe will be the most trusted corp, followed by dreddit, right?
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#14 - 2012-03-05 11:44:45 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
You do realise goonwaffe will be the most trusted corp, followed by dreddit, right?


Precisely, even using legitimate voting those two corps would have the most trusted members in the game. And that's just two corps, there are whole alliances that could do this.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#15 - 2012-03-05 12:08:03 UTC
IF i WAS to SCAM using YOUR idea I'D just CREATE alts on ALL my ACCOUNTS and PASS all THEIR tokens TO my SCAMMING alt.

THEN i'd DELETE the CHARS and MAKE new ONES, rinse REPEAT.

IT's a TERRIBLE idea.

just like using capitalised words all over the place.
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-05 13:24:39 UTC
Goons would have a field day with this
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#17 - 2012-03-05 15:42:14 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
This is Eve, not eBay. We don't need a "rate your seller" function, and even if we had one we'd scam the hell out of it anyway.


This.

You VASTLY underestimate the ability of Eve players to exploit loopholes and scam. Anything that can be exploited, will be; especially if there's actual gain to be had by doing so.

If you want a "rate your seller" function, then make a website that can do it, Eve is designed to have stuff like this be added by players when they fill a need (and then be surprised when no one at all uses your site because the 'information' it provides is completely worthless).
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#18 - 2012-03-05 20:59:17 UTC
You act like people would actually USE this feature for one - that's funny.

Secondly, how many 'tokens' do you think people would actually accrue? If I had, say, 6 alts, and therefore gave my main 60 of each token type, than I'd look pretty damn trustworthy. This idea is worthless and stupid, especially with the char bazaar.