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What happened to the overview font?

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Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#21 - 2012-02-29 15:45:47 UTC
o/ Sig

Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).

Cheers.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2012-02-29 15:49:01 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
o/ Sig

Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).

Cheers.


you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right?

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#23 - 2012-02-29 15:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Spank
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
o/ Sig

Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).

Cheers.


you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right?


I saw this request (remove stargate from stargate overview entries) spring up in the patch feedback thread so I believe this poster is talking about recent changes yes.

EDIT: Of course it might be confusing to simply remove it but some form of abbreviation might help keep them prominent yet readable.

The main issue was the 'broken' font being too wide and making the actual gate names unreadable. Even with it fixed now it would make sense to do something so shorter columns would still show the stargate name rather than clipping the important info (stargate... )

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Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-02-29 15:53:17 UTC
After the last overview change the font seems a lot smaller an harder to read for me to.
Small font is hard to read, larger font (in overview settings) is way to big.

I think I can get used to the smaller stuff.... but it did change.
If I remember this thread when I get back home, Ill post a screen
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#25 - 2012-02-29 16:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Siigari Kitawa
Hold on uploading another image. Note this is the default 100% scaling ui.

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview2.jpg (small font) LOOK AT THOSE NINES

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview3.jpg (large font) WAY TOO LARGE (vertically)

CLEARLY you can see the numbers are much more narrow than my previous overview font, and it has the spacing above and below the characters is reduced versus my previous overview.

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/closecall.jpg

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2012-02-29 16:00:55 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
o/ Sig

Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).

Cheers.


you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right?


I saw this request (remove stargate from stargate overview entries) spring up in the patch feedback thread so I believe this poster is talking about recent changes yes.

EDIT: Of course it might be confusing to simply remove it but some form of abbreviation might help keep them prominent yet readable.

The main issue was the 'broken' font being too wide and making the actual gate names unreadable. Even with it fixed now it would make sense to do something so shorter columns would still show the stargate name rather than clipping the important info (stargate... )



if it was posted in the feedback thread it has probably been addressed by the people who did the recent overview changes (I don't know if they wanted to change it or leave it as is)

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Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#27 - 2012-02-29 16:03:11 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
o/ Sig

Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).

Cheers.


you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right?


Being honest, I don't know which change did it, but I seem to fit a few less characters across my overview than before the font change months ago. This combined with (for me) for example lots of new Faction Warfare plexes on overview can make finding Stargates a lot harder.

Name column | Type |

Serpentis Port.. | Beacon |
Gallente Major | Beacon |
Stargate (Villo... | Stargate (G.. |
Stargate (Hey... | Stargate (G.. |
Gallente Minor | Beacon |

appears to be much more common and more apparent now forcing me to widen the Name column wider than it used to be. I'm not placing blame directly on any change but rather hoping you'll possibly look into a change to make the stargate name a lot more visable and easily identifiable. Thanks.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#28 - 2012-02-29 16:09:08 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Hold on uploading another image. Note this is the default 100% scaling ui.

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview2.jpg (small font) LOOK AT THOSE NINES

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview3.jpg (large font) WAY TOO LARGE (vertically)

CLEARLY you can see the numbers are much more narrow than my previous overview font, and it has the spacing above and below the characters is reduced versus my previous overview.

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/closecall.jpg


Yes, it is indeed narrower and wastes less space.

Absolutely wonderful little tweak, that actually allowed more information in a smaller overview window - great job <3

.
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#29 - 2012-02-29 16:11:13 UTC
No it hurts my eyes and makes it harder to read. What was wrong with the last font? IDEA: Make a wide/narrow selection for players to choose from.

Also I don't like how adjusting the overview columns works now, the column contents won't update till you release the overview spacing guides at the top.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#30 - 2012-02-29 16:31:25 UTC
They have just made the glyphs 1 pixel taller in the right places, making the text look, read and scale better.

New large has the same pixel width and overview line height than the old regular (taking same space) but appears bigger, clever way to improve usability for those who prefer bigger text.

Same adjustment also makes the new small version massively better than the old small one.

I hope you get used to it, because most people appreciate this change.

Big up UI font team!

.
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#31 - 2012-02-29 16:42:53 UTC
I wasn't even happy about the last font, but this one is worse. I had to play with the smaller sized font to make it look bearable, and now we get another downgrade. I don't understand where Punk is, she came to this thread and now that I posted some solid font evidence she is gone. Come back!

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Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-02-29 16:44:43 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Hold on uploading another image. Note this is the default 100% scaling ui.

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview2.jpg (small font) LOOK AT THOSE NINES

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview3.jpg (large font) WAY TOO LARGE (vertically)

CLEARLY you can see the numbers are much more narrow than my previous overview font, and it has the spacing above and below the characters is reduced versus my previous overview.

http://siigarikitawa.com/images/closecall.jpg

Nope - can't see what you're getting at. What's wrong with the nines?

Small font/large font? I can't see any real difference between the overview appearance in your screengrabs.
Sinsalura
Seeds of Despair
#33 - 2012-02-29 18:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinsalura
I am not a fan of the new font either, overall it feels like a decrease in legibility with more effort now required to scan/read text.

I have found it easier to read though by reducing contrast in the UI so its not a pure white on dark black, I'm now using a charcoal grey.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#34 - 2012-02-29 18:40:49 UTC
Eugene Spencer wrote:
You'll get used to it. Everyone else has.




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Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-02-29 23:10:48 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
o/ Sig

Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).

Cheers.


you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right?


I saw this request (remove stargate from stargate overview entries) spring up in the patch feedback thread so I believe this poster is talking about recent changes yes.

EDIT: Of course it might be confusing to simply remove it but some form of abbreviation might help keep them prominent yet readable.

The main issue was the 'broken' font being too wide and making the actual gate names unreadable. Even with it fixed now it would make sense to do something so shorter columns would still show the stargate name rather than clipping the important info (stargate... )



if it was posted in the feedback thread it has probably been addressed by the people who did the recent overview changes (I don't know if they wanted to change it or leave it as is)

This reminded me of something I was going to post to F&I a while back but forgot about. Why do we need such long descriptions for every overview line in addition to the symbols?

I think it would be pretty sweet to have an option to disable the prefixes for everything with a unique symbol to save overview space. For instance, instead of Planet I; Planet II; Planet III, it would just be I, II, III. Most things are easily identified by their symbol directly before it so in a lot of cases the full name is rather redundant.

Maybe a 'compact' overview is in order, but I understand holding off if it's currently being redesigned anyway.
H3llb0und
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-03-01 04:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: H3llb0und
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
http://www.siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview.jpg

It is really compressed. Look at the numbers and look how there is no spacing between lines. Everything looks like it's very boxed in.


I wish mine looked like that.

I have 20 / 20 vision and I like high resolutions and very small fonts. In EVE I only increased the font size on some chat windows.

I play at 2560x1440 and for me the new font looks like each character was cut out one by one by a 3 year old.

And yes, I tried the UI scaling thing to all available options.
The UI scales, but the font always looks really bad.

I'll post a screenshot when I get home.

Am I missing a hidden setting somewhere?


EDIT: Just like to mention that I pratically didn't play EVE for the last 3 years, and I was shocked when I saw the new font.
I seriously thought something was wrong with EVE's resolution or my graphics card.
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#37 - 2012-03-01 06:56:32 UTC
Bump for Punk.

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Lexmana
#38 - 2012-03-01 07:24:18 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
http://www.siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview.jpg

It is really compressed. Look at the numbers and look how there is no spacing between lines. Everything looks like it's very boxed in.


You really like it when the overview covers most of your screen? Anyway, font is good. And make your overview smaller please.
H3llb0und
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-03-01 08:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: H3llb0und
I think I found out what is wrong.

@ 2560 x 1440 and UI scaling @ 100%

With FULL SCREEN setting I get this:
http://i44.tinypic.com/5wwh2r.jpg
Notice that fonts and the UI itself looks a bit off.

With FIXED WINDOW setting:
http://i42.tinypic.com/rruw08.jpg
I get this crisp and perfect fonts and UI.

Is it a driver setting? Or is it the game engine that does this?
I am running an AMD 6970
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#40 - 2012-03-02 20:20:32 UTC
Just logged in again. The font is really hurting my eyes, I just can't play. It literally is straining my eyes. Tried playing for 30 minutes and I have a headache. In my opinion the font needs to be reverted. It's killing me.

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