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GIVE ALL HEAVY ASSAULT CRUISERS A BASE 50% bonus to afterburner speed
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Derth Ramir
Fight The Blob
#1 - 2012-02-28 07:09:23 UTC
Now people won't only fly battlecruisers.

Fight The Blob.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-02-28 08:53:34 UTC
People don't only fly battlecruisers.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-02-28 09:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Daeva Teresa
Im also hopping for +50% AB speed but CCP will probably give them -50% MWD signature same as with AF.

Also people are using HAC. I have seen few Zealot heavy gangs.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#4 - 2012-02-28 09:55:39 UTC
How about we fix battlecruisers instead of creating yet another imbalanced class? Idea

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#5 - 2012-02-28 11:38:59 UTC
A clear NO!

We already have the situation that an AB frigate can't keep up with an MWD Cruiser... your proposal will get us to the point where an AB frigate will even not be able to keep up with an AB Cruiser... no thank you!

If there really is any need for a buff of T2 Heavy Assault Cruisers then give it 50% signature bonus on MWD. Anything else seems too overpowered to me. We already have enough problems 100MN AB Tengus.
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-28 12:14:32 UTC
What exactly is bad about the fact that AB frigate is slower than MWD cruiser? I really dont see anything bad about it. If you need more speed, just take MWD on that frigate too. Also you can dual prop frigate you know?

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.
Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-02-28 13:22:43 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
How about we fix battlecruisers instead of creating yet another imbalanced class? Idea


The problem is that battle cruisers pretty much never could be less powerful than HACs.

The only place where HACs are used is in sig-tanking AB fleets which roll very heavy on resists. They work pretty good there. Problem is that BCs can just run away and thats ridiculous to me. Bigger ships should not be able to just run away from a smaller (and theoretically more agile) gang.

But that said I don't support an AB speed bonus for HACs.

I don't know how to fix them, but this wouldn't help. It would make AB Vagas a lot better, and the rest of them exactly the same.
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#8 - 2012-02-28 13:49:41 UTC
Simplest solution would be making battlecruisers slower rather than making other ships fast.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#9 - 2012-02-28 16:21:10 UTC
People do fly HACs. The general pattern though, is that it's usually not Caldari because the Drake already seems to be doing what the Cerberus does (but with far more tank to offset their worse range), and the Eagle is overspecialized in a niche that requires far better damage than medium rails can possibly give it. IMO you're better off flying a Drake over a Cerberus because in the Drake you at least won't pretty much be dead if someone gets within 50 kilometers of you.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-28 17:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyress
Aglais wrote:
People do fly HACs. The general pattern though, is that it's usually not Caldari because the Drake already seems to be doing what the Cerberus does (but with far more tank to offset their worse range), and the Eagle is overspecialized in a niche that requires far better damage than medium rails can possibly give it. IMO you're better off flying a Drake over a Cerberus because in the Drake you at least won't pretty much be dead if someone gets within 50 kilometers of you.


Actually a Blaster Eagle may be pretty cool now, it can hit with Null out beyond long point range

[Eagle, Eagle fit]

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Small Nosferatu II

Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-02-28 17:32:22 UTC
If the Eagle just had six turret slots instead of 5 it would be magical.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#12 - 2012-02-28 19:09:34 UTC
omg yes

ahac supremacy
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-02-28 22:23:41 UTC
Morgan North wrote:
Simplest solution would be making battlecruisers slower rather than making other ships fast.


Not all battlecruisers are fast. Harbingers are pretty slow.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#14 - 2012-02-29 06:12:03 UTC
Reduce cost of HAC's to 50m for the hull.

Same result, not OP.

Overhaul Dscan!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2012-02-29 07:00:07 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
Reduce cost of HAC's to 50m for the hull.

Same result, not OP.


I like this idea... but not nearly to that degree. Something around 60 to 70 mil.

How did you Veterans start?
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-02-29 15:42:53 UTC
Why not just add -50% MWD signature to HACs and add new T2 battleships with the same bonus, would make for a nice line of ships made for a special style of gameplay. (Counter to tracking titans?)
Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-29 17:06:26 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Why not just add -50% MWD signature to HACs and add new T2 battleships with the same bonus, would make for a nice line of ships made for a special style of gameplay. (Counter to tracking titans?)


No, it wouldn't.

Reason being that it still means that every ship is BIG while MWDing. AFs can just about get away with it because they have a tiny sig to start with and so the bonus (arguably) at least saves them from BS guns.

Applying it to cruisers is just kinda silly. Their sig on MWD would be big enough for BS guns to hit them, so its purposeless.

And since the whole idea here seems to be making hacs more competitive compared to BC (something that CCP should be thinking hard about atm IMHO) completely reworking hacs into a counter to titans is ... weird and unhelpful, and frankly it wouldn't even do that.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-02-29 17:28:31 UTC
Valea Silpha wrote:
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Why not just add -50% MWD signature to HACs and add new T2 battleships with the same bonus, would make for a nice line of ships made for a special style of gameplay. (Counter to tracking titans?)


No, it wouldn't.

Reason being that it still means that every ship is BIG while MWDing. AFs can just about get away with it because they have a tiny sig to start with and so the bonus (arguably) at least saves them from BS guns.

Applying it to cruisers is just kinda silly. Their sig on MWD would be big enough for BS guns to hit them, so its purposeless.

And since the whole idea here seems to be making hacs more competitive compared to BC (something that CCP should be thinking hard about atm IMHO) completely reworking hacs into a counter to titans is ... weird and unhelpful, and frankly it wouldn't even do that.


You clearly dont know how tracking and sig radius works, with a bonused MWD their speed tanking capabilities would be close to that of a AB fit, while going waaaaay faster.
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#19 - 2012-02-29 18:38:27 UTC
Meh. Want to make HAC's "good"?

Double their damage bonuses. Still not working? Further increase it. Make them... Killy. Make them put a battlecruiser's firepower to shame.

Failing that, why not... Neutralization resistance? Say 50% less energy drained/lost.

Etc.