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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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shannon johanson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#601 - 2012-02-13 17:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: shannon johanson
definitely TLDR P

the op is an idiot.
big deal. I gank everyone and their mother especially them juicy mission runners.
oh and if Mr. smartypants ops wants bots and can't get his ugly butt out to DRF, try Kamio and Akari, the main two Caldari Space ice systems (kamio has two ice fields if you're too lazy to figure that one out).
People are so blind that they can't even see the bots right in front of their faces.
They're the ones at one end of the ice field, mining all by themselves, not killing the rats attacking them.
so Mr. OP, I suggest you go check those two systems out I mentioned before or go back to writing "jack and Jill" war novels.
no one cares for your mainfesto of idiocrisy. EvilTwistedPirate
Gerald Mitchell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#602 - 2012-02-20 11:27:49 UTC
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#603 - 2012-02-20 12:55:47 UTC
I'm mostly a care bear miner... I afk mine while at work... I admit it's f$&@ing boring, that's why I do it at work...

But 2 posts into that manifesto made me want to have a relaxed attitude to land mines...

A. It's a game
B. I enjoy the way I play the game
C. If you can't deal with the way I play the game, your welcome to introduce me to your auto cannons.
D. Don't subject me to a suicidal tendancy inducing wall of text telling me your way is the best way.
...
?. Profit

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
BIGTEX123
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#604 - 2012-02-22 05:58:15 UTC
Since the original poster hasn't responded to a single one of the responses made by anyone I'm assuming this has been a massive troll by someone with a little too much time on their hands for a a day.

But there really is no reason for a suicide ganker to try and justify his style of game play, we know you do it just for the tears and it's okay because it's part of the game mechanics. Smile
Marusja Ogoniok
Fellowship of the Black Arrow
#605 - 2012-02-22 10:33:46 UTC
Well this is one of my first visits and this is actually my first posting in the forums.

I am only in Eve for about 3 months now and I don't care much about politics, forum trolling and all the other stuff.

However this thread is remarkable. It is a wonderful, fine and brilliant example for the hour of birth of a totalitarist ideology. People have compared the monstrous "book" the OP wrote already with "Mein Kampf" and while I usually despise such a thing and give them one Point Godwin, I cannot help agreeing this time.

This manifesto is wonderfully showing how a totalitarian ideology works.

1st - You need an arch enemy, somebody responsible for all evil, somebody to blame and righfully hate. And he found his "Untermenschen", subhuman creatures, bots. Well he does a good job in de-humanizing miners.

2nd - You need crimes to accuse them of:
Easy to find, if you are narrow-minded enough:
- reveling in bot-like behaviour,
- doing despisable things like "piling up ISK" like the international jewish high-finance Mafia,
- decadently waste their time, sitting in belts with empty chatter,
- not behaving like a true Eve-Player, a Herrenmensch, would do
- cowardly avoiding to fight back, while we all know that the Herrenmensch is superior due to his fightings strength,
- sobbing and begging when attacked, giving you these wonderful sadistic pleasure of torturing real people (if it gets too touching, remember it's just bot's tears anyway).

3rd - Harden yourself against any sympathy. They are guilty not because of what they do, but because of what they are, because they only do waht they do, because they are what they are. They are born like that. Thats the proper racist way of convincing yourself and others of your own righteousness. Some might say its complete bollocks, but hey, if you make the Text long enough, maybe noone will notice.

4th - Call to arms: You have found the culprits, named their crime, proven they cannot redeem themself, have all properly justified within the logic of your own idiocy. So now let's cry out for the slauhgter of the Subhumans. Unfortunately in Eve you can only pod them and they will come back. But if you could round them up and put them into a concentration camp, you would do it, wouldn't you? They could mine for your new ship's minerals there...


So waht you did, dear James315 is quite an achievement. You put yourself into a line with all those people who too wrote a book taht gives the various message "death to the unfaithful", "death to the upper class", "death to the subhumans" a pseudo-philosophical basis. You stand in the line with Breivik and many other people, who turned their own provincial, narrow-minded hatred into an ideology.

And you know what? This is only a computer game, where everybody wants to have their own special way of having fun. But you say they cannot, because they are subhumans and must be purged. Quite a lot of effort too.

Somehow, you remind me of Sgt. Major Dickerson in "Good morning Vietnam":

"General Taylor: ****, I've covered for you a lot of times cause I thought you were a little crazy. But you're not crazy, you're mean. And this is just radio.
[goes to the elevator and laughs]
General Taylor: "More dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history." That's funny."

Thanks for giving Eve a racist-totalitarian manifesto against other players. Now it is really a harsh, dark world.
Donald MacRury
LankTech
#606 - 2012-02-22 11:31:08 UTC
What kind of garbage is this. Accusing everyone who mines to be botters or want to be botters. I donèt think the OP knows what he is talking about.

I have played eve since 2008 and I have never seen this kind of hate before. I admit that I mine, and just like almost everything else in eve, its an activity that I actually enjoy. However, I don't do it for the sake of just making isk, which if you could see my wallet you will tell that I am almost always flat broke (despite according to you I should have billions now).

I mine because I like building stuff. I love the player run economy and I constantly work towards expanding my abilities into building more stuff from tech 1 frigs all the way to empire building stuff like capital ships and stations.

And the rest of the stuff you complain about I have no idea where it is coming from. Do I suck at pvp, yes, it has nothing to do about whether I like it or not though, but more about the skill investments required for many professions that makes it difficult to be good at everything unless your playing for a very long time. But despite the fact that I suck at pvp doesn't mean I run and hide from every war deck (although I will probably get hit hard for this rant), I try to make friends with some pvp'ers and the way I look at it, loosing a few ships every now and then when at war is no big deal.

But finally I wonder what you expect if you logged on some day and found no miners or industrials in general anymore. Where do you think all the ships and modules will come from (regardless of price). Do you expect CCP to just seed everything on the market, or worse sell everything in the NeX store (worst thing to ever enter eve).

Maybe you should consider those things before you start something like this. As an eve player, I have never asked for nerfs or buffs, I don't have a problem with ganking (since it always happened, its just been put in the spot light now), and I also have no problems with wars or pvp in general.
Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
That Escalated Quickly.
#607 - 2012-02-22 11:43:15 UTC
Some men just want to watch the world burn.

"Sings me a dances of wolfs, who smells fear and slays the coward. Sings me a dances of mans, who smells gold and slays his brother."
Marusja Ogoniok
Fellowship of the Black Arrow
#608 - 2012-02-26 00:03:14 UTC
I've just read the TOS:

Quote:
6. Chat, Bulletin Boards, and other Submissions.

6.1 The Message Board service enables you to participate in chat forums on various game-related topics. You may also post a message on the Web Site’s bulletin board. You acknowledge and agree that if you submit any Content to forums, you will be solely responsible for such Content. CCP will not be liable in any way for any such Content submitted. You further agree that you will not:

I Submit any Content, which is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way.



Actually I do not mind people ganging miners or otherwise playerkilling themselves aroudn as it is part of Eve. What I find rather noteworthy in reagrd to the TOS is that somebody makes an ideology of it, DEFAMATING and INSULTING me as a RL PERSON because I do not play Eve in the way he finds acceptable.

He creates a most fascist, racist look on people who do not share his own ideas about how to play Eve and flags them as LESSER HUMANS which are "guilty" as he states and do not deserve mercy nor understanding. He is propagating HATE against and DEFAMATION of not inworld avatars but their RL players.

CCP? Do you read your own forums? Or is it just: "TLDR, can't be bothered."
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#609 - 2012-02-26 02:23:05 UTC
Marusja Ogoniok wrote:
I've just read the TOS:

Quote:
6. Chat, Bulletin Boards, and other Submissions.

6.1 The Message Board service enables you to participate in chat forums on various game-related topics. You may also post a message on the Web Site’s bulletin board. You acknowledge and agree that if you submit any Content to forums, you will be solely responsible for such Content. CCP will not be liable in any way for any such Content submitted. You further agree that you will not:

I Submit any Content, which is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way.



Actually I do not mind people ganging miners or otherwise playerkilling themselves aroudn as it is part of Eve. What I find rather noteworthy in reagrd to the TOS is that somebody makes an ideology of it, DEFAMATING and INSULTING me as a RL PERSON because I do not play Eve in the way he finds acceptable.

He creates a most fascist, racist look on people who do not share his own ideas about how to play Eve and flags them as LESSER HUMANS which are "guilty" as he states and do not deserve mercy nor understanding. He is propagating HATE against and DEFAMATION of not inworld avatars but their RL players.

CCP? Do you read your own forums? Or is it just: "TLDR, can't be bothered."

They generally don't read the forums unless someone reports something.

Your take on it is rather interesting. I do wish the OP bothered to respond after page 10 or so... but such is life on the forum.
Kelvan Hemanseh
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#610 - 2012-02-26 05:21:37 UTC
How about I tell you why I lead mass miner killing ops. A prolific pirate Jude Lloyd gave me a grand idea, charge miners for the privilege of mining. I have to give them a good reason to pay so that means mass killing. Reason two I hate bots death to all bots. Reason three moronic miners give good tears. Finally it's a nice change in our usual routine.

Good god posing from an iPhone is painful.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#611 - 2012-02-26 05:37:38 UTC
Good read lol.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#612 - 2012-02-26 06:22:32 UTC
That's a most impressive lot of posts. Definitely something to thi----

wait, these is EVE General Discussion. There's a great lot of tears and stuff after it. Good job OP ! It would be hilarious to see what you'd get up to in the eventuality/possibility that drones get nerfed, requiring a lot more minerals to come from mining lazers.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Researcher123
Drunk Tank
#613 - 2012-02-26 11:45:31 UTC
wow Shocked
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#614 - 2012-02-26 12:12:43 UTC
Marusja Ogoniok wrote:
I've just read the TOS:

Quote:
6. Chat, Bulletin Boards, and other Submissions.

6.1 The Message Board service enables you to participate in chat forums on various game-related topics. You may also post a message on the Web Site’s bulletin board. You acknowledge and agree that if you submit any Content to forums, you will be solely responsible for such Content. CCP will not be liable in any way for any such Content submitted. You further agree that you will not:

I Submit any Content, which is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way.



Actually I do not mind people ganging miners or otherwise playerkilling themselves aroudn as it is part of Eve. What I find rather noteworthy in reagrd to the TOS is that somebody makes an ideology of it, DEFAMATING and INSULTING me as a RL PERSON because I do not play Eve in the way he finds acceptable.

He creates a most fascist, racist look on people who do not share his own ideas about how to play Eve and flags them as LESSER HUMANS which are "guilty" as he states and do not deserve mercy nor understanding. He is propagating HATE against and DEFAMATION of not inworld avatars but their RL players.

CCP? Do you read your own forums? Or is it just: "TLDR, can't be bothered."


Boo fugging hoo, the dude answered a question that's all. Miners and carebears have been lamenting their lot and asking why people like killing them.

This what's wrong with EVE nowadays, to many people just cant self assert. Someone posts something on the forums and it ends in tears, someone blows up a pixel spaceship and it ends in tears. Look at how weak and pathetic the incursion runners where, they cried their eyes out until CCP took notice and now others want to try the same.

As for the OP propagating hate and defamation at real life people you should go back and re-read it, either you didn't get or those words don't mean what you think they mean.

All he decried was the general play style. Not anywhere did he single out an individual with hateful comments, neither did the OP target anybody with slander.
Commander Spurty
#615 - 2012-02-26 12:51:28 UTC
This post belongs in the eve fiction forum.

Good grief, get a grip!

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#616 - 2012-02-26 13:26:28 UTC
As harmful and misguided as these ill-functional individuals (such as the OP) may be, I have to say, I'm glad they take out their frustrations, paranoia, hate, and idiotic discriminations on in-game classes rather than out-of-game.

Good grief, imagine the harm and destructive nature of this individual were he to redirect and project his rage and hate to classes outside of Eve Shocked.

Fakeedit: In before "but... but his hate is imaginary and in-game only. He's actually a pastor and a doctor who loves children and flowers in real life!1".

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#617 - 2012-02-26 13:31:06 UTC
Can this thread not just DIE ????????

tl; dr AND Ancient as the hills at this point Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#618 - 2012-02-26 14:59:24 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Can this thread not just DIE ????????

tl; dr AND Ancient as the hills at this point Roll


/me grabs defib and jumps onto thread.
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#619 - 2012-02-26 15:15:51 UTC
I think this thread should be stickied.
Drakonium
Sublime Tactic
#620 - 2012-02-26 16:14:19 UTC
I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but whoah!

If you replace the word "miners" with "Jews" in this manifesto the OP would have made Adolf H. very proud.