EVE General Discussion

I was just waiting for Grath to show up. Epic whines incoming.

Right, because the Titans are whats keeping new players from liking EVE.



One side has knives the other side has guns, sounds about right to me.

If you want to arm the common man with his own affordable gun that would allow you to compete with the 'bitter vet squad' its called a dread.

You know, the totally insurable platform tailor made to be a serious threat to titans in large numbers.



But please, keep pretending dreads don't exist.

I seriously doubt that anything we did to an alliance full of new players would be enjoyable, whats your point?

So why dont we just add spool up timers to cynos or something like that. The single titan isnt broken, its a blob of them. Therefore breaking up the blob = correcting the tracking titan. Come on now...

Grath, if Titans finally get fixed and are no longer able to blap subcaps with impunity will you quit Eve?

No, the problem is that Titan blobs are invincible. Once you hit a certain number of Titans they are completely safe from being destroyed.

Now Grath will start wailing about blobs of maelstroms but consider that it's not physically possible to cram enough maelstroms into a system to defeat a fleet of 50 Titans so Grath's argument is senseless.

Do you think that's fair that 50 players can become invincible just because they botted enough isk to buy the most expensive and most broken ship in the game?

what i think the dread is missing is his two best friends...

1. is the Juggernaut which is a capital sized tackler/ewar
it goes into 5 min siege mode and can use an infinity point and capital nuets/nos

2. tech II tier 3 bs's that use capital sized weapons 8 of them...

this would mean a tech II Hyperion would have about 3500 dps and 15k alpha plus not have to go into siege mode...

I may be wrong, its difficult to get hands on experience with them with the entire Team Tech and half the titans in the game blue to each other and ten to fifteen minutes from any TIDi'd battle, but last time I checked Leviathans don't use tracking, and are pretty crap against subcaps.

All I am looking for is gun titans reduced to match levis.

Obviously completely removing all titans combat role and making them logistical tools and force multipliers would be perfect, but not expecting THAT any time soon.

No.

It is exactly the same game. There is no difference between claiming to need n+1 Titans to counter n Titans, and claiming to need n+50 Alphamaels to counter n Alphamaels.

There are enough entities ingame right now that could wield considerable capital/supercapital fleets - if they were WILLING. Far more than can CTA 750 Battleships on short notice. It also makes no difference with regards to attracting new players out to zero-space (which should be one of CCPs primary goals imho - repopulate zero-space). For a new entity that wants to carve its name into the sovmap there is little difference between facing 50 Titans and facing 750 Battleships. Initially, it feels like getting hit by a bus either way.

And personally, I consider the 750 Battleships the harder problem of the two. The sovmap has already considerably consolidated since the dominion high, with many systems barely capable of creating the isk needed to pay that systems sovbills anymore since they weren't touched when the isk generation they were balanced against was adjusted. It will consolidate further, probably down to 1 powerblock that noone can match in numbers. At that point, Eve will collapse.

It is a "must be done at the same time" issue.
Otherwise you just painted the problem in a different colour. Google Technetium and Dysprosium if you need a reminder how that worked out.

Dealing with all this over various patches will significantly decrease the number of independent entities in zero-space. The current situation is broken at a lot of levels, but they somewhat even out (more or less). Adjusting these problems one at a time will create ridiculous powerspikes for the things still wating for fixing.

Why do I bet nobody is shocked that you're wrong.



No, my issue is that for the CFC, combat essentially stops at the battleship, thinking past that is beyond you and you want the rest of the game to conform to that.

Unfortunately, there are a whole ship class you're ignoring.


Also you've just bought the BPO's for producing 10 a month, don't kid yourself, but if your leaders thought all you had to do was hold out till June (its effectively impossible for anybody to take your space if you just time right) do you really think they would have just doubled down to buy enough BPO's to manufacture a trillion isk in Titans a month?


The answer is no.

Of course they know how incredibly wrong you all are.

Of course they realize that a tracking fit titan has the hit points of a dread, and all they'd need to do was fight ONE fight with half of your 4 full fleets of people in dreads and the Titan problem would be revealed as the myth that it is.

Unfortunately you have people like Mynas and Villy, who are notoriously risk averse and wouldn't allow things like that to go down because ~caps would be lost~ and mentally and strategically Villy and Mynas are both stuck in a game that moved on 4 years ago.


EDIT: What stops 50 titans? 250 dreads. Your last fleet saw just over 1100 ships employed, almost universally drakes. Maybe you shouldn't expect the cheapest gun clogging approach to win every fight, and instead bring 800 drakes and 250 dreads and see how the fight goes.