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"When using the jump button to warp to and jump through a gate is now fixed so that it still works after the initial warp didn't bring you to the gate due to cap constraints."

Hopefully this also fixes the problem where if you attempt to warp to your next gate after warping to a bookmark, but are a bit too quick and hit the warp button while you're still dropping out of the first warp, the system completely ignores all attempts to warp anywhere until you do something else first (e.g. align). This has been killing me (in one case almost literally)...

Also, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for fixing the problem where things constantly move out from under you while you're trying to click on them in the overview. Long overdue and badly needed change. Thanks. :)

I'm not the one that made the snide comment that "the only people that are fine with the changes are people that have no combat experience".

Ranger 1 is the character that I always post with, and while not one that I often (comparatively speaking) use in combat, his easily verifiable experience in this area proves that blanket statement to be more than slightly inaccurate.

This would be more apparent if the relevant posts had been quoted above. It's amazing how the meaning of something changes when it's taken in context.

Once more, before I am selectively quoted again, there are some funcionality tweaks that need to be made... and a few design changes that need to be considered. But those issues need to be kept seperate from complaints being made simply because we aren't used to working with it yet.

The "Incentive to Bot" has nothing to do with the level of fun involved with any given activity.

What does this mean and how is it relevant to what I posted?

Best not to ask, hes in his own little world.
Let him get on with telling us how its easy to work around this horrible overview functionality change without actually offering any solutions.

Did I misinterpret your meaning?

My point is simply that it doesn't matter how fun or lucurative a given profession might be to do in person, if it can be botted by someone that wishes to simply rake in ISK 23/7 (for whatever purpose) it will be... even though he might enjoy doing that activity in person as well.

The incentive has nothing to do with the activity not being fun, and making an activity even more lucurative simply provides more encouragement to bot it.

Quick Edit: I'm not trying to say that this was part of the goal on CCP's part, primarily because bots can easily be made that don't really care about such things... or can easily be modified to take the new overview functionality into consideration.

Please remove the ellipses from the overview thanks in advance

Agreed, however, as I bolded the part where you said exactly that...

Actually, I have responded to points you previously wanted clarification on (I've already responded to what you quoted above), but to be more specific...

One person pointed out that they thought that it was broken that when the overview was frozen new targets appearing on grid got lost by being at the bottom underneath their list of other celestial bodies in system.

Problems that are not CCP's fault:

Habitually having the "default" position of your mouse to be constantly over the overview. This is merely muscle memory and can easily be changed.

Not setting up a tab for your celestials, and simply clicking the tab for a quick warp out instead of scrolling to the bottom of a long list... which takes longer I might add.

Adjustments I am in favor of (when the overview is frozen):

Have broadcast targets always appear at the top of the list.

Have new targets appearing on grid always appear at the top of the list (but just under any broadcast targets)... which will
probably need a visual clue that these targets are new and outside your normal sort order.

Defects which need to be addressed:

Artifacts, freezing of overview on other clients you are running, random appearance of new targets on grid in your list when frozen, sorting errors when sorting by icon, as well as the other issues I listed previously.


Hopefully that will clarify the point I was attempting ot make.

Some issues are being raised simply because we aren't used to it, some issues need some minor usability tweaks (or the ability to customize a bit), and some issues are legitimate defects that will have to be addressed... but many people are lumping them all together.

How about reserving the top three lines of an Overview for primary, secondary, tertiary targets indicated by the FC?

Either upon joining fleet automatically the Overview clears out the top three slots and moves all objects down three lines, or providing an option to click on in the Overview settings to enable it (maybe even allowing for tweaking the number)?

The drawback is that when not used, it's 3 lines of wasted space in the Overview.