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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Taiwanistan
#2941 - 2012-02-15 10:41:31 UTC
duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#2942 - 2012-02-15 10:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Taiwanistan wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
*snip*
while ignoring the glaring problems that wis simply lacks substance, hell why don't you just admit and come out and say it
all i want is to 07m8/dance with 1000 dudes but i can start with 5 please it is really important to me.

here's an idea, for those with super high standings, they get the honor and privilege of being granted an audience with the major faction leaders, a meeting in personal avatar form. hell you are god damn right you deserve it if you did the grind after all you've done for the faction.
eg. for amarrian loyalists they get to see the empress flanked by her royal templars or whatever, and you have to /kneel before you can speak to the empress, and she is really really really really hawt and there will be a few dialogue things like "gj on the grind here's your symbolic reward" and the RPers will be all YAY! DIS IS AWSUM! OH DID YOU SEE THAT TEMPLAR?! IT'S EXACTLY LIKE IN THE BOOK!


My suggestion is based on the fact that I think that 1000 people all together is a dumb idea and has no point. I say that pretty-much explicitly so suggesting my idea is based around some hidden agenda to make all of Jita dance for the lols is just short sighted and dumb.

Taiwanistan wrote:
so we got a 5 dudes to meet up and do what? i hope nothing too unseemly. a map for planning what? yeah i know our alliance leadership really sorely needed that "feature" to "plan" for the invasion of Branch.


What you're actually saying here is that really all anyone should care about is the game play and not how it looks really. If one can have a planning session without something pretty to look at then why the hell do we need something pretty to look at in space too?....

How about this... just remove all the shiny stuff from EVE? All we really need is a black screen with and some white, purple and red boxes to shoot at. We don't need the ship, station, gate, planet models. All the pretty stars and ships are just EYE candy for those people who want to RP like they are actually flying a ship in space "HAY DOODZ MAH NEBULA AND DRAKE LOOK SOOO REAL AMG!!".

You make a terrible argument. If you don't like WIS just come out and say it - you don't need to fabricate ill-thought-out arguments to do that.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2943 - 2012-02-15 11:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Taiwanistan wrote:
duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with


LMAO dodging the issue again... You have been in this thread for ages posting the same crap over and over again. I've see maybe one post at the most where you attempt to make a valid comment but most of the time you just make yourself look like a pathetic idiot.

Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2944 - 2012-02-15 11:52:01 UTC
Quote:
Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with.

He can't Big smile. Because he is in tremendous fear that a handful of people and their alts (that's what they tell us how they think how many WiS supporters we really are) can change his precious spaceship game into "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted."

For some reason this seems to terrify him and his friends so much that he feels the need to be the white knight who has to defend EVE against the evil WiS supporters who either desperately want CCP to destroy EVE or are too dumb to realise that they will destroy it with their unfathomable ideas. He really seems to think that he is somewhat superior to us, because he knows it all.


But my question that I asked him long ago and was just ignored by him still stands:

What bothers you so much about "dress up avatars" and "social gameplay" that you want to prevent it happening so much?

Most of us agree that WiS needs more substance than that, but our little Trollwanisten seems to be very offended by the mere idea of social meetings where people could use emotes that he not even acknowledges that we agree with him on some fundamental points. Even when presenting him a lot of useful ideas, he just ignores them or tells us how they only support his dreades vision of "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup" (which isn't even true in some cases). That shows how narrow minded he is.


Or he could be a common troll who has just fun in teasing some people who he thinks are easily upset. Someone who laughs about his own bad jokes and his friends pat him proud on his shoulders because how awesome his trolling skills are. But I think that is more Ladie Harlots thing Blink.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2945 - 2012-02-15 12:58:37 UTC
For those of you not interested in WiS, don't worry. While I haven't been following this thread I did just read the Dev posts here and from what I gather WiS in on the 5 year plan which, in the gaming industry for a game already in play, is pretty much in the "not gonna happen" category, Eve's longevity not withstanding.

Don't ban me, bro!
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2946 - 2012-02-15 15:51:29 UTC
Arcathra wrote:
Quote:
Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with.

He can't Big smile. Because he is in tremendous fear that a handful of people and their alts (that's what they tell us how they think how many WiS supporters we really are) can change his precious spaceship game into "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted."

For some reason this seems to terrify him and his friends so much that he feels the need to be the white knight who has to defend EVE against the evil WiS supporters who either desperately want CCP to destroy EVE or are too dumb to realise that they will destroy it with their unfathomable ideas. He really seems to think that he is somewhat superior to us, because he knows it all.


But my question that I asked him long ago and was just ignored by him still stands:

What bothers you so much about "dress up avatars" and "social gameplay" that you want to prevent it happening so much?

Most of us agree that WiS needs more substance than that, but our little Trollwanisten seems to be very offended by the mere idea of social meetings where people could use emotes that he not even acknowledges that we agree with him on some fundamental points. Even when presenting him a lot of useful ideas, he just ignores them or tells us how they only support his dreades vision of "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup" (which isn't even true in some cases). That shows how narrow minded he is.


Or he could be a common troll who has just fun in teasing some people who he thinks are easily upset. Someone who laughs about his own bad jokes and his friends pat him proud on his shoulders because how awesome his trolling skills are. But I think that is more Ladie Harlots thing Blink.




let the poor guy be,pls
he has nowhere else to go on these forums.

R.S.I2014
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2947 - 2012-02-15 15:53:22 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
For those of you not interested in WiS, don't worry. While I haven't been following this thread I did just read the Dev posts here and from what I gather WiS in on the 5 year plan which, in the gaming industry for a game already in play, is pretty much in the "not gonna happen" category, Eve's longevity not withstanding.




at least ,you are hoping for breast augmentations and sluttier clothing

R.S.I2014
Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#2948 - 2012-02-15 16:10:36 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with


LMAO dodging the issue again... You have been in this thread for ages posting the same crap over and over again. I've see maybe one post at the most where you attempt to make a valid comment but most of the time you just make yourself look like a pathetic idiot.

Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with.


No, no, no, we don't want him to stop with his fail posting, free bumps, he's keeping it in people's faces nevermind the fool he is making himself look to be......

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2949 - 2012-02-15 17:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I dont like running, please no running.

I do want one of these to drive around

http://img4.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2011/08/26/dust514/dust514_vehicle2s.jpg

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2950 - 2012-02-15 23:57:41 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with


So is this close to your inner voice?

FiS

Or is this closer?

Space Madness

Issler
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2951 - 2012-02-16 00:07:18 UTC
Pinky

I swear Glados would have won in the end if she sicked this on you at first.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2952 - 2012-02-16 00:24:29 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
For those of you not interested in WiS, don't worry. While I haven't been following this thread I did just read the Dev posts here and from what I gather WiS in on the 5 year plan which, in the gaming industry for a game already in play, is pretty much in the "not gonna happen" category, Eve's longevity not withstanding.


Strange, that wasn't the impression I got from reading the Dev replies posted in this and other Pro-WiS threads.

My impression is very little to no content pertaining to WiS will be added this year. However, I expect one of the expansions in 2013 will be mainly WiS content.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Taiwanistan
#2953 - 2012-02-16 03:01:34 UTC
my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again?
and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content",
while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO

Wacktopia sure i care how the game looks, i want new textures for them minmatar ships. i am also supportive of an alternate "thin client" where it's straight up white boxes and red crosses for those that need it for certain situations.
you are in noire, go ask how your leaders plan contracts, i bet they just load up teamspeak and deliberate over dotlan.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2954 - 2012-02-16 03:18:57 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again?
and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content",
while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO

Wacktopia sure i care how the game looks, i want new textures for them minmatar ships. i am also supportive of an alternate "thin client" where it's straight up white boxes and red crosses for those that need it for certain situations.
you are in noire, go ask how your leaders plan contracts, i bet they just load up teamspeak and deliberate over dotlan.



well if you think you need to repeat the same thing again, go ahead.
if it makes it feel you better ,why not .
i am glad we can help you to make you feel happier

R.S.I2014
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2955 - 2012-02-16 04:14:54 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again?
and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content",
while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO


Adding a few new ships with a bunch of fixes, balances and enhancements is not what I consider new content. 'New Content' is something like Exploration and Sleeper AI. Or Sancha Incursions. Or Factional Warfare. Or Epic Mission Arcs. Or Planetary Interaction.

I've already stated what my vision of WiS game play content would contain. Which is a lot more than just 5 char's in a room doing /emotes. I envision total immersion WiS like it's portrayed in the CCP Trailers.
I know it'll take many years to achieve and if it starts with 5 players in 1 room doing /emotes, so be it. When I climb to the mountain top and proclaim WiS as the 'Holy Grail' is when we have total immersion WiS.

Now you GTFO.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Taiwanistan
#2956 - 2012-02-16 04:38:00 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again?
and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content",
while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO


Adding a few new ships with a bunch of fixes, balances and enhancements is not what I consider new content. 'New Content' is something like Exploration and Sleeper AI. Or Sancha Incursions. Or Factional Warfare. Or Epic Mission Arcs. Or Planetary Interaction.

I've already stated what my vision of WiS game play content would contain. Which is a lot more than just 5 char's in a room doing /emotes. I envision total immersion WiS like it's portrayed in the CCP Trailers.
I know it'll take many years to achieve and if it starts with 5 players in 1 room doing /emotes, so be it. When I climb to the mountain top and proclaim WiS as the 'Holy Grail' is when we have total immersion WiS.

Now you GTFO.

hallelujah reverend crimson, i'va seen the light, rapture to heavenly total immersion in 2013 or 2017
so is 5 dudes in a room emoting "new content" yes or no?
and yes everything is as good as their trailers

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2957 - 2012-02-16 07:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcathra
Taiwanistan wrote:
my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again?

You brought that argument a few times, yes. But you still havn't answered my question. You are dodging. Let me say it more clearly, maybe you understand it better:

Why do you think that WiS is useless and why do you think social gaming is frivolous?

If you can't answer that, you don't have an argument, then it is just your opinion which isn't more relevant than ours. So we are as entitled to tell you to "GTFO" than you are Twisted.


Taiwanistan wrote:
so is 5 dudes in a room emoting "new content" yes or no?

Yes, it is. Because it opens up a whole new way to play the game and sets the foundation for more player created content. I don't claim that new ships aren't new content in some way and I pretty much love the Crucible expansion and hope to get something similar this summer again.
But if you really read our ideas and arguments you would know that we aren't talking about just "5 dudes". Once again, you ignore what many people are talking about here. Your absurd fear what WiS will look like isn't the same WiS many of us are asking for.
Taiwanistan
#2958 - 2012-02-16 08:30:31 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
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I agree with something simple, other folks in your CQ for example, or as I suggested a corp meeting room. I worry that waiting to come up with "new compelling game play" = never.

Issler


Arcathra

1. Why do you think that WiS is useless and 2. why do you think social gaming is frivolous?
right now there is no clear indication of what wis gameplay will be except that there is none right now. therefore it is useless.
the only few hints we've had are bars, some mini games, some corp rooms, a promenade.
why is the above useless? because all things in eve must be related to the "sandbox" or ecosystem or what you may call it
which is the destruction and creation of things, gaining isk or inflicting loss, and getting killmails. by the way i've said this before i just can't find it.

2. social gaming is frivolous because: take a look the cesspool that is second life. and the (insert derogative) people that play them.

But most importantly what appalls me is the carpet-baggery of dowager issler who is a me-too advocate for mining changes when her only agenda is wis. now i don't care about the fact that she claims to run a "mining corp" mining in her case is merely a shill issue, politicizing.


Issler Dainze wrote:
How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority!

Voice of Reason Party

Issler

Really? Priority? As in priority of wis over fis? lol GTFO

Issler Dainze wrote:
[

I agree with something simple, other folks in your CQ for example, or as I suggested a corp meeting room. I worry that waiting to come up with "new compelling game play" = never.

Issler

See this is not acceptable, first setting the priority on WIS, then push out some useless corp room for meeting. Hell no. wis will be released when it is ready, it will take as long as it god damn takes. Any sort of halfass junk like the first time will not fly. My advice to team avatar is not to try that again, it ain't funny.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#2959 - 2012-02-16 09:21:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Taiwanistan wrote:
Wacktopia sure i care how the game looks, i want new textures for them minmatar ships. i am also supportive of an alternate "thin client" where it's straight up white boxes and red crosses for those that need it for certain situations.
you are in noire, go ask how your leaders plan contracts, i bet they just load up teamspeak and deliberate over dotlan.


My corp has nothing to do with this and my opinions are my own here. I am not championing this idea on Noir.'s behalf or anything like that.

Hopefully you can appreciate where I'm coming from in that sometimes things that look nice add to the game even if they do not have a direct game-play advantage.

I'm not supposed to talk about this but If you must know we use this to plan everything. Everything.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#2960 - 2012-02-16 09:53:39 UTC
I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.

I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?

Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog.